[lit-ideas] Re: A rose by any other name...
- From: "Lawrence Helm"<lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:24:08 +0000
I've been trying to give your the benefit of doubt. Your comments make it
sound as though you don't really know what Blackwater does. There are less
than two thousand of them in Iraq and they guard dignitaries from the State
Department. They are a security agency armed to defend the people they
protect. You are reading too much into the term "mercenary." These guys have
to be highly qualified because their defensive skills are very likely to be
challenged in Iraq.
Why you attack Americans defending State Department officials and not the
Jihadist who, unlike the Blackwater mercenaries ARE in the business of killing
people never ceases to amaze me -- although I should be used to it by now:
Americans = bad. Jihadists = good.
Lawrence, former Sgt in USMC . . . back then I think I earned about $30 a
month, but money is money; so I guess I was a mercenary too.
------------Original Message------------
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, Sep-18-2007 1:47 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: A rose by any other name...
>>I'm always interested in Leftists thinking processes; so I'd love to hear the
>>steps you took to arrive at your position<<
This is your statement that I was responding to. I don't need any references
or web sites to support my opposition to mercenary enterprises. I oppose them
qua mercenary forces. Do you deny they are mercenary forces? They don't. How
you are able to square killing for money with Christianity confounds me, but
that's your problem not mine.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: A rose by any other name...
Thanks for your references and all the web sites you posted to support your
allegations. That clears everything up.
If you check their web site, their favorite boast is that they've never lost an
individual they were assigned to guard. What talented people to manage that in
their spare time -- their main occupation as you say being the killing of
people.
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, Sep-18-2007 11:15 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: A rose by any other name...
LH
>>I'm always interested in Leftists thinking processes; so I'd love to hear the
>>steps you took to arrive at your position.<<
They are hired killers, Lawrence. They are in the business of killing people,
they have no other motive but making money. Self-defense, righting wrongs,
freedom, justice, democracy, etc. all those "noble" motives we cover ourselves
with mean nothing to these companies or to those who work for them.
Maintaining a military is probably a necessary evil, but evil none the less.
However, these mercenary companies are evil through and through, there's no
necessity about them whatsoever. They're a scourge to the human race.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: A rose by any other name...
Mike:
I've read a few reports and see nothing that would justify your outrageous
comment, Mike.
My morning paper carries a New York Times article by Sabrina Tavernise,
"Blackwater . . . had come under attack from Armed militants. The 'civilians'
who reportedly fired upon by Blackwater professionals were in fact armed
enemies, and Blackwater personnel returned defensive fire,' said Anne Tyrrell,
a company spokeswoman . . . 'Blackwater professionals heroically defended
American lives in a war zone. . ."
"In the shooting on Sunday, initial reports from the U.S. Embassy said that a
convoy of State Department vehicles came under fire in Nisour Square, a
commercial area in western Baghdad that is clogged with construction, traffic
and concrete blocks. One vehicle became 'disabled' in the shooting, officials
said. . . ."
"But two bombs exploded around the time of the convoy's passage, and Iraqis who
were there said on Monday that guards in the American motorcade, which had
apparently been stuck in traffic, began shooting in response. That appeared to
be confirmed by the embassy's information officer, Johann Schmonstes.
'The car bomb was in proximity to the place where State Department personal
were meeting, and that was the reason why Blackwater responded to the incident,
. . ."
"Mirenbe Nantongo, the embassy spokeswoman, said, 'Our people were reacting to
a car bombing.'"
As for me, it sounds like there were plenty of State Department witnesses to
what happened -- as well as uninvolved Iraqis. The Blackwater people were
protecting a convoy. If the Blackwater people did do something evil then
you've got to assume a gigantic conspiracy involving all the State Department
personnel and Iraqi bystanders to cover it up.
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, Sep-18-2007 2:10 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] A rose by any other name...
BLACKWATER -- has there ever been a more appropriate name for an evil
enterprise?
I predict that in the near future "Bush" will become a curse word even for
conservative Americans. Then Cheney will to Leahy say, "Bush you."
Mike Geary
Memphis
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