[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Problem with all caps in en-us-g2.ctb
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:44:58 -0500
Bookshare has been using the current en-us-brf.dis file without
complaint for a while, unless they changed it and didn't report the
change. It looks like it would be a good idea for the people who handle
tables to apply the patch.
John
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 04:55:15PM -0500, Aaron Cannon wrote:
> What this patch appears to do, at least based on my testing, is to
> output Braille in the proper BRF format, which uses upper-case letters
> for the letter symbols, and uses a few different symbols than Liblouis
> outputs by default, such as a ^ for dots 45, instead of a ~.
>
> I'm basing my knowledge of the "proper BRF format" on what is output
> by Duxbury when saving to the BRF format, and based on the format of
> the files from the NLS WebBraille service.
>
> Aaron Cannon
>
> On 10/23/13, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Aaron,
> >
> > Your patch adds characters such as digits and punctuation marks which do
> > not have a case and are therefore the same in uppoer and lower case.
> > These were not included in the curent en-us-brf.dis because they are
> > unnecessary. Thanks fro the work, anyway. If someone wants to apply the
> > patch it will do no harm.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 03:27:12PM -0500, Aaron Cannon wrote:
> >> The current en-us-brf.dis doesn't use the BRF standard either. I
> >> provided a patch that corrects this issue, but it was never merged,
> >> either because it wasn't accepted, or because it got overlooked. I'm
> >> not sure which.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I'm reattaching to this message in case anyone's interested.
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >>
> >> On 10/23/13, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > The brf standard requires letters to be in uppercase and also some
> >> > special symbols such as \ . liblouis uses lowercase so that
> >> > translations
> >> > will look nice on a Braille display. Embossers accept either uppercase
> >> > or lowercaase. If you want something that conforms to the strict brf
> >> > standard use a tablelist like en-us-brf.dis,en-us-g2.ctb Bookshare does
> >> > this, but I don't think it is appropriate for the Braille Plus 18.
> >> >
> >> > liblouis would handle capitalized letters followed by uncapitalized
> >> > ones
> >> > by inserting dots 6-3 The apostrrophe throws it off. A context rule
> >> > might work. Something like:
> >> >
> >> > $U1-20"'"[]$l @6-3
> >> >
> >> > Johnn
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 06:23:36PM +0000, Ken Perry wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been starting on fixing some of those problems I have found in
> >> >> en-us-g2.ctb. I now have a list of 99000 words translated by duxberry
> >> >> and
> >> >> the same list translated by en-us-g2.ctb. A blaring problem is
> >> >> capitalized words that end in 's. Liblouis translates the word AIDS'S
> >> >> as
> >> >> ,,aids's where as duxberry does it as ,,AIDS,''S
> >> >> I am a bit out of my legue on what rule will even affect that. I think
> >> >> ,'
> >> >> is an end caps sign but how do I make liblouis do it? Also I notice
> >> >> duxberry capitalizes all letters is there a reason we don't?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ken
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
> >> > Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> >> > http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >> > Madison, Wisconsin USA
> >> > Developing software for people with disabilities
> >> >
> >> > For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >> > project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
> > Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> > http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > Madison, Wisconsin USA
> > Developing software for people with disabilities
> >
> > For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
--
John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
For a description of the software, to download it and links to
project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
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