[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: One more question about boxing lines
- From: "John J. Boyer" <johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:40:21 -0500
Chris,
I am testing and debugging. The new release will be on
www.jjb-software.com
in a few days. I'll let you know. It will also include implementation of
softreturn, newpage and righthandpage.
John
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 09:20:01AM -0700, Chris von See wrote:
> John, how far away from completing the implementation of start and
> end boxing lines do you think you are?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
> On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:38 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>
> >Mike,
> >
> >Good. The implementation of boxline will take care of the different
> >kinds of lines.
> >
> >John
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:20:30AM -0700, Mike Sivill wrote:
> >>This is odd because according to Formats Rule 6.3.c, the start
> >>boxline is
> >>supposed to be a line of dots 2356 and the ending boxline is
> >>supposed to be
> >>a row of 1245's. There are provisions for lines within the boxes
> >>as well
> >>but I would think you would want to creat a class for startboxline
> >>and
> >>endboxline with their respective characters, not hyphens, which
> >>are used as
> >>page change indicators.
> >>
> >>As for bold, formats does say it should be indicated by 456 46 for
> >>one word
> >>and 456 46 46 to start a bold phrase with 456 46 ending it on
> >>the last
> >>word.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> >>Chris von
> >>See
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:23 AM
> >>To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: One more question about boxing
> >>lines
> >>
> >>John,
> >>
> >>I did look for the "repeated" opcodes in en-us-g1.ctb and en-us-
> >>g2.ctb, but I didn't find any that would explain truncation of
> >>multiple lines of dashes. However, I did find a "pass2" opcode in
> >>en-
> >>us-g2.ctb which is defined as:
> >>
> >>pass2 @36-36-36 @36-36
> >>
> >>Based on the documentation, I interpret this as "find any consecutive
> >>runs of three hyphens (dots 3-6) and convert them to a run of two
> >>hyphens." Applying this rule would convert 40 hyphens to 27 (40
> >>divided by 3 is 13 remainder 1; 13 times 2 plus 1 is 27) and four
> >>hyphens to 3 (4 divided by 3 is 1 remainder 1; 1 times 2 plus 1 is
> >>3), so it looks like it's this opcode that's causing the behaviour
> >>I'm seeing.
> >>
> >>It seems to me that converting 40 hyphens to 27 still makes for a
> >>long run of hyphens would be annoying to a braille reader. I suppose
> >>you could compensate for this by using pass2, pass3 or repeated
> >>opcodes, but it might be better to have a different opcode (or a
> >>modification of pass2, pass3 or pass4) that allows for replacement of
> >>arbitrarily long strings of characters with a single string so that
> >>you don't do repeated replaces as pass2 does now.
> >>
> >>
> >>Cheers
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:36 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>
> >>>Chris,
> >>>
> >>>This is due to the fact that the liblouis table is set up to
> >>>truncate
> >>>long strings of hyphens, underscores, periods, blanks, etc. such as
> >>>occur in many print documents and are only an annoyance to braille
> >>>readers. This can be handled by having a subtable with repeated
> >>>opcodes
> >>>to handle these situations and placing it at the end of a table
> >>>list in
> >>>the literaryTextTable line of the configuration file. However, this
> >>>would involve a minor rewrite of the liblouis tables.
> >>>
> >>>I'm glad to see you bringing up these questions, because it means
> >>>that
> >>>liblouis(xml) is evolving.
> >>>
> >>>John
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:13:45PM -0700, Chris von See wrote:
> >>>>I also noticed that if I insert four hyphens into the file prior to
> >>>>translation then I only get three hyphens out.
> >>>>
> >>>>The input to liblouisxml is:
> >>>>
> >>>><p>This blank should be filled in ---- and so should this one ----
> >>>>and this one ---- but not this one _.</p>
> >>>>
> >>>>The braille ASCII I get out is:
> >>>>
> >>>>,? blank %d 2 fill 9 --- & s %d ? "o
> >>>>--- & ? "o --- b n ? "o _.
> >>>>
> >>>>Do you know of any reasons why these would be truncated?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Chris von See wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hello John -
> >>>>>
> >>>>>One more question: I inserted 40 cells of dots 3-6 as a boxing
> >>>>>line
> >>>>>in the XML prior to calling liblouisxml, but when I looked at the
> >>>>>output I only got 27 cells out. I inserted the boxing line using
> >>>>>the following XML:
> >>>>>
> >>>>><span
> >>>>>class="boxingLine">----------------------------------------</
> >>>>>span>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>and inserted the following line into the semantic action file:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>style1 span,class,boxingLine
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"style1" is defined in the config file as:
> >>>>>
> >>>>># boxingLines
> >>>>>style style1
> >>>>> firstLineIndent 0
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Do you have any thoughts on why the boxing lines are being
> >>>>>truncated?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks and regards
> >>>>>Chris von See
> >>>>
> >>>>For a description of the software and to download it go to
> >>>>http://www.jjb-software.com
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>John J. Boyer, Executive Director
> >>>GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc.
> >>>http://www.godtouches.org
> >>>Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> >>>Peace, Love, Service
> >>>
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> >>>http://www.jjb-software.com
> >>
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> >>
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> >
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> >JJB Software, Inc.
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> >
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