Doug, I have the old one. You can get them in very nice shape for about 700 USD if you're patient. I've been happy with the out of focus effects wide open. Very often I'm also panning so they are blurred a bit as well. The new one is tempting but as you said, $$. (like about 400 gallons of AVGAS) Cheers, Charlie. > Are you thinking of the 180 f/3=2E4=3F In the plane of focus it's sharper= > than > the zoom, bokeh sometimes isn't as pleasant and the zoom handles better > IMHO=2E If you're thinking of the current 180 f/2=2E8 APO, I'd get the 18= > 0 if > I had the $$$$ available=2E ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/