I don't read the VATSIM forums either (no time) but Cix VFR's Forum watcher hasn't reported anything. > Does this mean you take new pilots directly into VATSIM? If so do you > have a rule that requires new pilots to log in only if you have an instructor booked for the session specifically for that pilot? If we go that route then we would require a grading system for JHB pilots so that some could be classified at instructor level. The downside is that instructors may find themselves permanently stuck in the role and that isn't always welcome. We don't have any rules about training - we actually have as few rules as possible about anything! We encourage new pilots to connect and watch and listen (we have a wealth of tutorials on the web site on how to do everything) at one of our bases, and we have a "Duty Pilot" roster at both bases. The duty pilot sits on Teamspeak, and on the apron at the base and contacts (positive action, not waiting for queries) any new member that he sees either at the FBO or on Teamspeak and talks him through any issues. The new pilot can, if necessary, then be pointed to one of our instructors where he can discuss ab initio flying, vatsim connection and use of ATC, navigation etc. We have at least one instructor specialising in each area. I am CFI and vet would-be instructors, placing them in the best place. My only "internal to me" rule is that for ab initio flight training, the instructor is or has been a real world PPL. However we are not swamped with students, we have 147 members of whom only about 30 - 40 have ever flown with us, and I have "trained" less than 10 students in 3 years, (one of whom was Frank F!!) This is probably because VATSIM /is/ a daunting environment to newcomers. And I think this is where you have a point about it being a bridge too far. Some folks are keen enough to keep going with our help and that is the filter. Those that continue, continue for a long time. We did have one member complain that the training was too complicated - "welcome to the world of aviation" we said. He struggled on and is now a member of our management team! However, I do believe (no offence intended whatsoever) that you are "mollycoddling" your pilots. I am sure having watched and listened to them and been on this group for some time now, that they would cope perfectly well in Vatsim. Like many other organisations, it is far less frightening from the inside than from the outside! As for navigation, CAS avoidance etc., we have a couple of Nav tutorials which hammer that one home. They, and all our training material, is freely available from the web site. I take your points about the vatsim controlling environment - it is more formal than the pilot side, with exams, so is quite a learning curve to climb. I would have thought you could agree to mentor only at your chosen field and for chosen students though - but that is outside my sphere of experience. Mike Pike at Gloucester controls EGBJ every Tuesday evening, quietly and without fuss. As a result, Gloucester actually has more movcements than any other Vatsim UK airport, but because the big tin can't get in there, he is left alone and he operates in almost precisely the way I believe you could with JHB. That is why we positioned a base there. Because it is "home" to our members, new pilots don't feel so exposed and they can gain experience flying in the local area, gradually branching out further afield. In fact we scarcely interact with the rest of Vatsim except for occasional forum posts, and our now established role as opening event in the Annual virtual Sywell Air Display. We are left to do our thing, but have come to be well known and well respected in the Vatsim UK upper circles. One of our founder members, and still active, is Ruth McTighe who is Vatsim worldwide Communications Director. I am sure that with some hand holding, JHB would thoroughly enjoy the busy-ness that is VAtsim UK. Peter