RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
- From: "Horspool, Matthew F." <drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:20:04 -0000
I can't most of the time. It's with things such as text/file selection
that it's noticable.
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:44 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re: Bug Fixes in
JAWS 6.0
Ok, then I'm surprised to hear that you could detect any difference in
responsiveness speed between software and hardware synthesizers (always
excluding natural voices from this discussion of course).
=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Horspool, Matthew F.
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20 Bug
>Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =20
> I'm using a 2.53 GHz processor. I think the other figure was=20
> from an old laptop.
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> Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of david poehlman
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:23 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20
> Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
>=20
>=20
> What do you get then when you look at system in controll panel?
>=20
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Horspool, Matthew F." <drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:13 AM
> Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20
> Bug Fixes in
>=20
> JAWS 6.0
>=20
>=20
> Right. I used the System Information tool and saved in plain text.
>=20
> -------------------------
> Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of david poehlman
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:11 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20
> Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
>=20
>=20
> matt,
>=20
> If you go to control panel, open system and read with the=20
> jaws cursor or
>=20
> ins+b, you are told in plain english what system you have. =20
> I'm not sure
> what you are running to get the result you have below, but=20 thought
>this might help. =20
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Horspool, Matthew F." <drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:26 AM
> Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20
> Bug Fixes in
>=20
> JAWS 6.0
>=20
>=20
> OK, I thought I got it right, but when I interrogated the=20
> system this line came up:
> Processor: x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 7 GenuineIntel ~2532 MhZ
>=20
> If I interpreted this line correctly I have a 2532MhZ processor!
>=20
> -------------------------
> Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:13 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20
> Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
>=20
>=20
> If you got that right (and it's not a typo) and your=20
> processor speed was only 256 mhz, then I could see why=20
> switching to a hardware synthesizer had such an improvement=20
> for you. That was quite a load for your system.
>=20
> Chip
>=20
> =3D20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 =20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> >On Behalf Of Horspool, Matthew F.
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:05 PM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=3D20 =
Bug=20
> >Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D20 Well I had 512MB RAM and about 256MHZ=20
> >Processors. Running at=3D20 once I had a copy of WinAmp with=20
> the Audio=20
> >stocker and=3D20 SHOUTcast plugin, Microsoft Outlook, SHOUTcast DNAS
> >=
> >(GUI),=3D20 BVentrilo and the Ventrilo Server, and a copy of JFW.
> >This=3D20 slowed down the system quite a bit. =3D20
> > -------------------------
> > Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
> > =3D20
> > Send me an Electronic Mail to
> > drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > =3D20
> > Add
> > horspool@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > Or Visit my web site at http://www.horspool.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
> > -------------------------
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:38 PM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=3D20 =
Bug=20
> >Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D20 =3D20 Ok, this is the first opinion
> >which=20 strongly prefers one to=3D20 another for other than=20
> subjective reasons,=20
> >and I appreciate it.
> >=3D20
> > Would you say the system you were using when you made=20
> the=3D20 switch=20
> >was unusually slow, short of ram, or overloaded with=3D20 processing
> >=
> >tasks?
> >=3D20
> > Thanks.
> >=3D20
> > Chip
> >=3D20
> > =3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 =3D20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> > >On Behalf Of Horspool, Matthew F.
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:30 AM
> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was -=20
> Re:=3D3D20 =3D
> Bug=3D20
> > >Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D20 Used DECtalk ACCESS32 for about a=3D20
> > year and then=3D20
> > >switched to a=3D3D20 DECtalk USB for to get better broadcast=3D20
> > clarity. I=3D20
> > >certainly=3D3D20 have noticed a huge difference in=20
> responsiveness: =3D
> The=3D20
> > >DEC=3D3D20 USB is faster - a lot faster!
> > >=3D3D20
> > > -------------------------
> > > Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
> > > =3D3D20
> > > Send me an Electronic Mail to
> > > drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > =3D3D20
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> > > horspool@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > to your MSN contact list
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> > > Or Visit my web site at http://www.horspool.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
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> > >=3D3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20=20
> > >[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Miller
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:20 PM
> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was -=20
> Re:=3D3D20 =3D
> Bug=3D20
> > >Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D20 =3D3D20 I don't notice it if so.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:47 AM
> > > Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was -=20
> Re:=3D3D20 =3D
> Bug=3D20
> > >Fixes in =3D3D20 JAWS 6.0 =3D3D20 =3D3D20
> > > > Yes; and they do use some processor time. The question=20
> is that=3D20
>=20
> > > > on=3D3D20 todays systems, which usually have plenty of =3D
> processor=3D3D20
> > > speed and RAM,=3D3D20
> > > > does that really make any difference?
> > > >
> > > > Now, I know that it does from reports on AT&T Natural=20
> > > > Voices=3D3D20=3D20 specifically, but I was wondering about=20
> Eloquence.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Chip
> > > >
> > > > =3D3D3D20
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20 =3D3D20
> > > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> > > >>On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:00 PM
> > > >> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Subject: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=3D3D20
> > > Bug=3D3D3D20 Fixes
> > >=3D3D20
> > > >>in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D20
> > > >> Software synths take up more RAM than hardware ones do.
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:22 PM
> > > >> Subject: RE: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20 Well, =
no=20
> > > >>argument with your first point, it is more=3D3D20
> > > difficult to have =3D3D20
> > > >>all of the sound coming out of one source; but, when you=3D3D20
> > > need to use =3D3D20
> > > >>headphones so as not to disturb someone else, it's also =3D
> more=3D3D3D20=3D20
> > > >>=3D3D20 convenient. =3D3D3D20 As for your second, that =
just=3D20
> > seems to come=3D20
> > > >>down to personal=3D3D3D20
> > =3D3D20
> > > >>preference as it doesn't bother me a bit.
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> There is one which you didn't mention, but which I've=3D3D20
> > > always wondered =3D3D20
> > > >>about, and that's how much of a load does Eloquence place=3D3D20
> > > on=3D3D3D20 your=3D3D20
> > > >>system by having the software synth as compared to =
sending=3D3D20
> > > the text=3D3D20
> > > >>to be spoken out of the serial port? Anyone have any =
facts=3D20=20
> > > >>along=3D3D20 this
> > > line?
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> Chip
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D20
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > >> >[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerri
> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:04 AM
> > > >> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D3D20 Hello =20
> Chip. I=3D20
>=20
> > > >> >despise software synthesizers mainly=3D3D20
> > > because=3D3D3D3D20 if=3D3D20
> > > >> >you are required to listen to other media, I find it=3D20
> > to=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20
> > > >> >difficult to with a software synthesizer coming through=3D20
> > the=3D3D3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > > >> >=3D3D
> >=3D20
> > > >> >same speakers. I also dislike elloquence's voice,=20
> *all of them*
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:02 PM
> > > >> > Subject: RE: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D3D20=20
> =3D3D3D3D20 I'm=3D20=20
> > > >> >interested in hearing why, as I use a DT express at=3D3D20
> > > work,=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > >> >and eloquence at home, and really haven't felt there's=3D20
> > much=3D3D3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > > >> >=3D3D
> >=3D20
> > > >> >difference. Perhaps there's just something I'm=3D20
> > missing? =3D3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >> >Thanks.
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > Chip
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > >> > >[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerri
> > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:17 AM
> > > >> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D3D3D20 =20
> Chris, I=3D3D20
> > > vehemently=3D3D20
> > > >> > >despise software synthesizers hence=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > my=3D3D3D3D3D20 dectalk=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >use and this is the only version that has been =3D3D
> > rather=3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20
> > > >> sluggish.
> > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:15 PM
> > > >> > > Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D3D3D20=20
> =3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D
> =3D3D20
> > > man I guess=3D3D20
> > > >> > >I'm very lucky then. This version actually runs =3D3D3D
> > > > a=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >little faster on my system than 5.10 did. Then =
again=3D3D3D20
> > > >> I'm=3D3D3D3D3D20 using
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >> a=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >hardware synthesizer which is probably the=3D20
> > reason.=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D
> > > > Never=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > did like=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >software speech and never will based on =
what=3D3D3D3D3D20=3D20
> > I've=3D3D3D20
> > > >> seen. By the
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >way, the murge feature is there. go to=3D3D3D3D3D20 =
your=3D20
> > jaws=3D3D3D20
> > > >> window with =3D3D3D3D
> > > >> alt=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >plus j, press alt u for utilities,=3D3D3D3D3D20 and it's =
=3D
> in=3D3D3D20
> > > >> there. or simply
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >bring up the context menu if=3D3D3D3D3D20 you're =
running=3D20
> > jaws in =3D3D
> > =3D3D3D
> > > > the=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > system tray=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >and go to utilities=3D3D3D3D3D20 and the murge utility=3D20
> > is there.=3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 At 04:29 PM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
> > > >> > > >Hay, you mean, they haven't fixed any right? I'm=3D3D20
> > > sorry, I=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > just couldn't=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >resist. In truth, this has been the worst version =3D
> I've=3D3D3D20
> > > >> had the=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >misfortune to deal with in a long while. It runs=3D3D3D20
> > > >> terribley slow,=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >I'm=3D3D3D3D3D20 getting false attachments, no merge=3D20
> > feature=3D3D3D20
> > > >> anywhere. I=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >love=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > spending=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >money on this "improved" product. Sorry, I'm=20
> being a grinch.
> > > >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > >From: "RJ" <rjf1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:16 PM
> > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >You are looking right, there just isn't any bugs.=3D3D20
> > > Smiling here.
> > > >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > >From: "Margaret Thomas" <iluvtoread@xxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > >To: "jfw" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:15 PM
> > > >> > > >Subject: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > Good Afternoon,
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I had a migraine when JAWS 6.0 was released =3D
> and=3D3D3D20
> > > >> am trying=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > > > to=3D3D3D3D3D20 catch up with list mail before=3D3D20
> > > installing the new =3D3D3D
> > > > =3D3D3D3D
> > > >> release.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I've looked over the What's New section for=20
> > > >> > > > > 6.0=3D3D20=3D20 and=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > could swear=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > > > that there used to be a section on bug fixes, but I'm =
=3D
> =3D3D3D
> > > > not=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > finding it=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > > > for this version. Am I having another senior moment, =
=3D
> =3D3D3D
> > > > or=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > did FS not=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > > > do it this time, or am I looking in the wrong=3D3D20
> > > place on=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > the FS site? =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > > > I've been looking at:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >=3D20
> > >http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws60f
> > > >> > > ea.asp#JAW
> > > >> > > >S_Features
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Thanks,
> > > >> > > > > Margaret
> > > >> > > > > iluvtoread@xxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > --
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> > > >> > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > > >> > > >Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - =
Release=3D3D20
> > > Date:=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > 12/21/2004
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >--
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> > > >> jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a=20
> message=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > >> > > >to=3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D3D20 jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =
with=3D20
> > the word=3D3D20=3D20
> > > >> > > >unsubscribe in the=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > subject line.
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> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >If you have any concerns about the list, post=20
> received =3D3D3D
> > > > from=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > the list,=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >or the way the list is being run, do not post them =
to=3D3D20
> > > the=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > list. Rather=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > >contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > To post a message to the list, send it to=3D3D3D20
> > > >> jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D3D20 To
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message=3D3D20
> > > to=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > >> > >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe =3D
> in=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > the=3D3D3D3D3D20 subject=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >line.
> > > >> > > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > If you have any concerns about the list, post=20
> received=3D3D3D20
> > > >> from=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D
> > > >> the=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >list, or the way the list is being run, do not post=3D3D3D20
> > > >> them=3D3D3D3D3D20 to the
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >list. Rather contact the list owner at=3D3D3D3D3D20 =
=3D3D3D3D
> > > >> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > >> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > > >> > > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release =3D3D
> > Date:=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > 12/21/2004=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20 =20
> --=3D3D3D3D3D20
>=20
> > > >> > >=3D
> No=3D20
> > > >> > >virus=3D3D20
> > > found in this
> > >=3D3D20
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D
> > > > outgoing =3D3D3D3D
> > > >> message.
> > > >> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > > >> > > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release =3D3D
> > Date:=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > 12/21/2004=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > To post a message to the list, send it to=3D20
> > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D3D
> > =3D3D3D
> > > > To=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message=3D3D20
> > > to=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > >> > >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe =3D
> in=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > the=3D3D3D3D3D20 subject=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >line.
> > > >> > > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > > If you have any concerns about the list, post=20
> received=3D3D3D20
> > > >> from=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D
> > > >> the=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >list, or the way the list is being run, do not post=3D3D3D20
> > > >> them=3D3D3D3D3D20 to the
> > > >> =3D3D3D3D
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> > >list. Rather contact the list owner at=3D3D3D3D3D20 =
=3D3D3D3D
> > > >> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > To post a message to the list, send it to=3D3D20
> > > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20 To=3D3D20
> > > >> >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message =3D
> to=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20
> > > >> >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in=3D20=20
> > > >> >the=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20 subject line. Archives located at:
> > > >> >//www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > If you have any concerns about the list, post received =3D3D
> > from=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > >> >the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post=3D3D20
> > > them=3D3D3D3D20 to=3D3D20
> > > >> >the list. Rather contact the list owner =
at=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > >> >jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > > >> > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release =3D
> Date:=3D3D3D20
> > > >> 12/26/2004
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > --=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > > >> > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release =3D
> Date:=3D3D3D20
> > > >> 12/26/2004
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > To post a message to the list, send it to=3D20
> > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To=3D3D20=3D20
> > > >> >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message =3D
> to=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20
> > > >> >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in=3D20=20
> > > >> >the=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20 subject line. Archives located at:
> > > >> >//www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> > If you have any concerns about the list, post received =3D3D
> > from=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > >> >the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post=3D3D20
> > > them=3D3D3D3D20 to=3D3D20
> > > >> >the list. Rather contact the list owner =
at=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > >> >jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D3D3D3D20
> > > >> --
> > > >> To post a message to the list, send it to=3D20
> > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To=3D3D20=3D20
> > > >>unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message =
to=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > >>jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in=3D3D20
> > > the=3D3D3D20 subject
> > >=3D3D20
> > > >>line. Archives located at:=20
> //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> If you have any concerns about the list, post received=3D3D20
> > > from=3D3D3D20 the=3D3D20
> > > >>list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=3D3D20
> > > to the list.=3D3D20
> > > >>Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D
> =3D3D3D20=3D20
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> --
> > > >> To post a message to the list, send it to=3D20
> > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To=3D3D20=3D20
> > > >>unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message=20
> to=3D3D3D20 =3D3D20
>=20
> > > >>=3D
>=20
> > > >>jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in=3D3D20
> > > the=3D3D3D20 subject=3D3D20
> > > >>line.
> > > >> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > >> If you have any concerns about the list, post received=3D3D20
> > > from=3D3D3D20 the=3D3D20
> > > >>list, or the way the list is being run, do not post=3D20
> > them=3D3D3D20 to =3D3D
> > the=3D3D20
> > > >>list. Rather contact the list owner at=3D3D3D20 =3D3D
> > jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>=3D3D3D20
> > > > --
> > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D
> To=3D3D20=3D20
> > > > unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message =
to=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in
> > > > the=3D20=20 subject=3D3D20 line. Archives located at:
> > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >
> > > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received =
from=3D3D20
> > > the list,=3D3D20
> > > > or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the=3D3D20
> > > list. Rather=3D3D20
> > > > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > --
> > > To post a message to the list, send it to=20
> jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 To
>=20
> > >=3D
>=20
> > >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message
> > >to=3D3D20=3D20=20 jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
> > >unsubscribe in=3D20
> > the=3D3D20 subject=3D20
> > >line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > >=3D3D20
> > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received=20
> from=3D3D20 =3D
> the=3D20
> > >list, or the way the list is being run, do not post=20
> them=3D3D20 to the
>=20
> > >=3D
>=20
> > >list. Rather contact the list owner at=3D3D20 =3D
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >=3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > --
> > > To post a message to the list, send it to=20
> jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 To
>=20
> > >=3D
>=20
> > >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=3D3D20
> > >=3D20=20 jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe
> > >in=3D20
> > the=3D3D20 subject=3D20
> > >line.
> > > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > >=3D3D20
> > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received=20
> from=3D3D20 =3D
> the=3D20
> > >list, or the way the list is being run, do not post=20
> them=3D3D20 to the
>=20
> > >=3D
>=20
> > >list. Rather contact the list owner at=3D3D20 =3D
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >=3D3D20
> > --
> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 To
> > =
> >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=3D20=20
> >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in=20
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> >line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >=3D20
> > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=3D20 =
the=20
> >list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=3D20 to the
> >=
> >list. Rather contact the list owner at=3D20 =
jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >=3D20
> > --
> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 To
> >=
> >unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=3D20=20
> >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in=20
> the=3D20 subject=20
> >line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >=3D20
> > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=3D20 =
the=20
> >list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=3D20 to the
> >=
> >list. Rather contact the list owner at=3D20 =
jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >=3D20
> --
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 To
>unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=20
>jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the=20 subject
>line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>=20
> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=20
> the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=20
> to the list. Rather contact the list owner at=20
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>=20
> --
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=20
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the=20
> subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>=20
> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=20
> the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=20
> to the list. Rather contact the list owner at=20
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>=20
> --
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=20
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the=20
> subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
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> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=20
> the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=20
> to the list. Rather contact the list owner at=20
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> --
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=20
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the=20
> subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
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> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=20
> the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=20
> to the list. Rather contact the list owner at=20
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>=20
> --
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=20
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the=20
> subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
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> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=20
> the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=20
> to the list. Rather contact the list owner at=20
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --
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> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to=20
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the=20
> subject line.
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> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from=20
> the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them=20
> to the list. Rather contact the list owner at=20
> jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>=20
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