RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0

  • From: "Cy" <cselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:47:29 -0600

I would have to agree. I had a 700mhz system and JAWS did not sound good
at all. It was slow and the speech was poor. When I went to a 1.2ghz
system the difference was dramatic.
I currently have a 1.8ghz Athlon with a duel bus motherboard and it has
no problems with the load.
Cy, the Ancient Okie... 

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:13 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re: Bug Fixes in
JAWS 6.0


If you got that right (and it's not a typo) and your processor speed was
only 256 mhz, then I could see why switching to a hardware synthesizer
had such an improvement for you.  That was quite a load for your system.

Chip

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20  [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>On Behalf Of Horspool, Matthew F.
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20  Bug 
>Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =20
> Well I had 512MB RAM and about 256MHZ Processors.  Running at=20
> once I had a copy of WinAmp with the Audio stocker and=20
> SHOUTcast plugin, Microsoft Outlook, SHOUTcast DNAS (GUI),=20
> BVentrilo and the Ventrilo Server, and a copy of JFW.  This=20
> slowed down the system quite a bit.
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> -------------------------
> Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:38 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=20
> Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
>=20
>=20
> Ok,  this is the first opinion which strongly prefers one to=20
> another for other than subjective reasons, and I appreciate it.
>=20
> Would you say the system you were using when you made the=20
> switch was unusually slow, short of ram, or overloaded with=20
> processing tasks?
>=20
> Thanks.
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> Chip
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> =3D20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 =20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> >On Behalf Of Horspool, Matthew F.
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:30 AM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=3D20  =
Bug=20
> >Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D20  Used DECtalk ACCESS32 for about a=20
> year and then=20
> >switched to a=3D20  DECtalk USB for to get better broadcast=20
> clarity.  I=20
> >certainly=3D20  have noticed a huge difference in responsiveness:  =
The=20
> >DEC=3D20  USB is faster - a lot faster!
> >=3D20
> > -------------------------
> > Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
> > =3D20
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Miller
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:20 PM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=3D20  =
Bug=20
> >Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D20 =3D20  I don't notice it if so.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:47 AM
> > Subject: RE: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=3D20  =
Bug=20
> >Fixes in =3D20  JAWS 6.0 =3D20 =3D20
> > > Yes; and they do use some processor time.  The question is that=20

> > > on=3D20 todays systems, which usually have plenty of =
processor=3D20
> > speed and RAM,=3D20
> > > does that really make any difference?
> > >
> > > Now, I know that it does from reports on AT&T Natural 
> > > Voices=3D20=20 specifically, but I was wondering about Eloquence.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Chip
> > >
> > > =3D3D20
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 =3D20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> > >>On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:00 PM
> > >> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: software vs. hardware synthesizers - was - Re:=3D20
> > Bug=3D3D20  Fixes
> >=3D20
> > >>in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D20
> > >> Software synths take up more RAM than hardware ones do.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:22 PM
> > >> Subject: RE: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> Well, no argument with your first point, it is more=3D20
> > difficult to have =3D20
> > >>all of the sound coming out of one source; but, when you=3D20
> > need to use =3D20
> > >>headphones so as not to disturb someone else, it's also =
more=3D3D20=20
> > >>=3D20 convenient. =3D3D20  As for your second, that just=20
> seems to come=20
> > >>down to personal=3D3D20
> =3D20
> > >>preference  as it doesn't bother me a bit.
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> There is one which you didn't mention, but which I've=3D20
> > always wondered =3D20
> > >>about, and that's how much of a load does Eloquence place=3D20
> > on=3D3D20  your=3D20
> > >>system  by having the software synth as compared to sending=3D20
> > the text=3D20
> > >>to be  spoken out of the serial port?  Anyone have any facts=20 
> > >>along=3D20 this
> > line?
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> Chip
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> =3D3D3D20
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20=3D20
> > >> >[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerri
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:04 AM
> > >> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D20  Hello  Chip. I=20

> > >> >despise software synthesizers mainly=3D20
> > because=3D3D3D20 if=3D20
> > >> >you are required to listen to other media, I find it=20
> to=3D3D3D20=3D20=20
> > >> >difficult to with a software synthesizer coming through=20
> the=3D3D3D20
>=20
> > >> >=3D
>=20
> > >> >same speakers. I also dislike elloquence's voice, *all of them*
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:02 PM
> > >> > Subject: RE: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20  I'm=20 
> > >> >interested in hearing why, as I use a DT express at=3D20
> > work,=3D3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > >> >and eloquence at home, and really haven't felt there's=20
> much=3D3D3D20
>=20
> > >> >=3D
>=20
> > >> >difference.  Perhaps there's just something I'm=20
> missing? =3D3D3D20 =20
> > >> >Thanks.
> > >> >=3D3D3D20
> > >> > Chip
> > >> >=3D3D3D20
> > >> > =3D3D3D3D20
> > >> >=3D3D3D20
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D20
> > >> > >[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerri
> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:17 AM
> > >> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D3D20  Chris, I=3D20
> > vehemently=3D20
> > >> > >despise software synthesizers hence=3D3D3D20
> > >> > my=3D3D3D3D20  dectalk=3D3D3D20
> > >> > >use and this is the only version that has been =3D
> rather=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > >>  sluggish.
> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:15 PM
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0 =3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D20 =
=3D20
> > man I guess=3D20
> > >> > >I'm very lucky then. This version actually runs =3D3D
> > > a=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> =3D3D3D20
> > >> > >little faster on my system than 5.10 did. Then again=3D3D20
> > >> I'm=3D3D3D3D20  using
> > >> =3D3D3D
> > >> a=3D3D3D20
> > >> > >hardware synthesizer which is probably the=20
> reason.=3D3D3D3D20  =3D3D
> > > Never=3D3D3D20
> > >> > did like=3D3D3D20
> > >> > >software speech and never will based on what=3D3D3D3D20=20
>  I've=3D3D20
> > >> seen.  By the
> > >> =3D3D3D
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> > >way, the murge feature is there. go to=3D3D3D3D20  your=20
> jaws=3D3D20
> > >> window with =3D3D3D
> > >> alt=3D3D3D20
> > >> > >plus j, press alt u for utilities,=3D3D3D3D20  and it's =
in=3D3D20
> > >> there. or simply
> > >> =3D3D3D
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> > >bring up the context menu if=3D3D3D3D20  you're running=20
> jaws in =3D
> =3D3D
> > > the=3D3D3D20
> > >> > system tray=3D3D3D20
> > >> > >and go to utilities=3D3D3D3D20  and the murge utility=20
> is there.=3D20
>=20
> > >> > >=3D3D3D3D20  At 04:29 PM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
> > >> > > >Hay, you mean, they haven't fixed any right? I'm=3D20
> > sorry, I=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > just couldn't=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > >resist. In truth, this has been the worst version =
I've=3D3D20
> > >> had the=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> =3D3D3D
> > >>=3D3D20
> > >> > > >misfortune to deal with in a long while. It runs=3D3D20
> > >> terribley slow,=3D3D3D20
> > >> > > >I'm=3D3D3D3D20 getting false attachments, no merge=20
> feature=3D3D20
> > >> anywhere. I=3D3D3D20
> > >> > > >love=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > spending=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > >money on this "improved" product. Sorry, I'm being a grinch.
> > >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > >From: "RJ" <rjf1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > > >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:16 PM
> > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >You are looking right, there just isn't any bugs.=3D20
> > Smiling here.
> > >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > >From: "Margaret Thomas" <iluvtoread@xxxxxxx>
> > >> > > >To: "jfw" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:15 PM
> > >> > > >Subject: Bug Fixes in JAWS 6.0
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Good Afternoon,
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >     I had a migraine when JAWS 6.0 was released =
and=3D3D20
> > >> am trying=3D3D3D20
> > >> > > > > to=3D3D3D3D20 catch up with list mail before=3D20
> > installing the new =3D3D
> > > =3D3D3D
> > >> release.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >     I've looked over the What's New section for 
> > >> > > > > 6.0=3D20=20 and=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > could swear=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > > > that there used to be a section on bug fixes, but I'm =
=3D3D
> > > not=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > finding it=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > > > for this version.  Am I having another senior moment, =
=3D3D
> > > or=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > did FS not=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > > > do it this time, or am I looking in the wrong=3D20
> > place on=3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > the FS site? =3D3D3D3D20
> > >> > > > > I've been looking at:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >=20
> >http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws60f
> > >> > > ea.asp#JAW
> > >> > > >S_Features
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >     Thanks,
> > >> > > > > Margaret
> > >> > > > > iluvtoread@xxxxxxx
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > --
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