It does work with Yahoogroups. Could it be that the list is set that new members have to be approved by a moderator, and that your member has yet to be approved? Cheers. Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: 02 January 2007 15:00 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription Perhaps you shall. then again, perhaps not. Why it should be that simply replying to the email as you describe, which works for me with any other mailing list listserv, doesn't work with Yahoo groups, I haven't the slightest idea. I sure wish it did, though! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renette Bloem" <renette@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: RE: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription Hi Yardbird This time I got you. My comments: 1 My subscribing to the list went smoothly - no need to follow the link and join via the website. 2 I have not tried out to log in; shall report on my "experience" when I do so somewhere today. However, it will not make sense if I already successfully joined the list to now encounter the same "coding" problem you had. But let's see! Perhaps I shall encounter another obstacle? Renette -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: 02 January 2007 00:29 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription Renette, Let me repeat what I was asking. I'm not talking about registering for a Yahoo account. I already have a Yahoo account. If I didn't, of course I'd have to get through that graphic thing for that, too. But that's all done. However, what I said was: 1. I first tried to join the group simply by sending the subscribe email and then replying directly too the Confirm email that the Yahoo server returns to you when you do that. If this isn't clear, please tell me. However, I didn't receive a conforming message welcoming me to the group, nor being to receive any posts from the mailing list. In other words, replying to that Confirm email failed to get me into the group. 2. So, as an alternative, I clicked on the link that takes you directly to the group's site. There, as I'm already have a Yahoo account, I logged in with my User ID. Then I was right there on the page for joining this group. I did the required stuff like choose which format to get the emails in, which email address to use to receive it, and so forth. but the last thing in that list of things to do was the graphical code thing, with the notation to write and ask for someone to call you if you were using a screen reader, or were just very low vision and couldn't see the graphic properly. And that's the scenario. I hope this is more clear. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renette Bloem" <renette@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: RE: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription Yardbird Subscribing to blindbooks was easy. However creating the account with the Yahoo group was a whole mission. I had to ask a sighted friend to "search" for the code that one has to type in and it took him some time to discover it on the screen. Fortunately I am done for the time being - until the next time ...! Renette -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: 01 January 2007 21:22 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription Hi Renette, First of all, thanks for this information about joining this list. I'll be interested to see what sort of discussions happen there and also what resources, including scanned books, may be circulating. I have one question, and wonder what your own experience has been with this Yahoo group registration and others like it. As you're sure to be aware, if you've joined the group by now, completing group registration for a Yahoo group requires a final step of typing into a text field the characters shown in a graphical display that a screen reader can't see because it's a graphical display, not HTML. Some Web sites using this kind of security feature (I keep forgetting what it's called; something that sounds like captcha or something), there's a button a screen reader user can click on to get a streaming audio rendering of the characters, and then type in what they hear. Sometimes this works nicely, other times the voice is distorted or, ironically, the reading begins too quickly so that Jaws is still announcing the launch of your media player, which obscures the first character or two. But that's another issue, one I can only wish was my only problem here. At least when that happens, you can keep trying until the reading changes to another set of characters and/or begins a little less precipitously. On Yahoo, there's a link to a special form for the screen reader user to request telephone or online help. Actually, the notice on the groups page now just says you'll be called by someone. Sorry. Anyway, I tried to join a Yahoo group just this way a couple of months ago, and my experience with the customer support people was horrendous. For one thing, though I'd written in my message very clearly which group I wanted to join, and what my problem was, the people who called me, one after another, had no idea what it was I needed, didn't know what a screen reader was, transferred me to other departments saying they were supposed to help only with registration, not with group joining, and so forth. It was crazy. Then, I finally was called by someone who understood what I told them about the situation. They told me, for some reason I can't remember,that they actually *couldn't* help me, just by completing my registration, but what they could do was enter a special instruction in the Yahoo system saying that my account ID would never again be presented with a graphical image blockade. Well, first they said or implied this adjustment would be temporary, but couldn't tell me when the window would open and when it would close, which led to a crazy discussion. Then the same person said they could make it permanent, and that when I tried again, if I waited a few days for the change to take effect, I'd find no graphical blockade anymore when I tried to sign up for a yahoo group. Well, I've just been there, under the right account ID, responding directly from the blindbooks group confirm email you get after sending the request to join email, and the captcha thing is still there. And I am not going to ask those people to call me again, not on your life. I'll wait until a sighted friend comes by tomorrow or the next day and get them to just do that step for me. But I'm disappointed, as this is annoying and takes away some independence that I'd rather have about things like this. How did you go about joining? By the way, as always happens to me with these Yahoo group signups, simply replying to the confirm email never gets me onto a list or a group. Never has. I reply to that email, as required, and never receive the welcome email to the group or ,list. So, that's another issue. Thanks for whatever help or insight you may be able to offer. vititing fot clalelwirtten he onlh. I onlyu hose charactererednering ompetitng complettiregiexprience ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renette Bloem" <renette@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "jaws mailing list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription Hi All Thanks to everybody who helped me to get the address of the website containing scanned books. A member from another list gave me the correct information. I gladly share it with all of you: "What your after is at blindbooks-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx They also have a site associated with it. Hope to see you there. 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