Re: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:32:29 -0800
Alex,
No. I have no such problems with my ISP that I'm aware of, nor do I have any
such trouble signing up by the same method with other listservs. Just Yahoo.
So it goes. Thanks for the thought,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription
Yardbird, I don't understand this at all. The e[-mail method does and
always has worked for me with Yahoogroups. Could this be some kind of
problem with your isp?
Cheers.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: 02 January 2007 15:24
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: correct information: website of scanned books and
subscription
Alex,
Please understand. The email subscription does NOT, and never did, work for
me with Yahoo Groups, alone among listservs that offer that method. Never
did work for me. And it never has anything to do with a moderator holding my
application and reviewing it, as can happen sometimes, elsewhere. No, this
is a technical glitch I'm unable to understand, and it's really okay unless
someone here is, like, an I T professional and gets what the matter could
be. As I said before, I'll just have a friend do that part in a day or so,
it'll take a second, and that's that. But I just thought I'd at least try
again.
Once in a great while, I've managed to join a Yahoo group by using the
online method, but I've never been able to figure out how I managed it.
Take care and Happy New Year.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription
It does work with Yahoogroups. Could it be that the list is set that new
members have to be approved by a moderator, and that your member has yet to
be approved?
Cheers.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: 02 January 2007 15:00
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: correct information: website of scanned books and
subscription
Perhaps you shall. then again, perhaps not. Why it should be that simply
replying to the email as you describe, which works for me with any other
mailing list listserv, doesn't work with Yahoo groups, I haven't the
slightest idea. I sure wish it did, though!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Renette Bloem" <renette@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription
Hi Yardbird
This time I got you.
My comments:
1 My subscribing to the list went smoothly - no need to follow the link and
join via the website.
2 I have not tried out to log in; shall report on my "experience" when I do
so somewhere today.
However, it will not make sense if I already successfully joined the list to
now encounter the same "coding" problem you had.
But let's see! Perhaps I shall encounter another obstacle?
Renette
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: 02 January 2007 00:29
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: correct information: website of scanned books and
subscription
Renette,
Let me repeat what I was asking. I'm not talking about registering for a
Yahoo account. I already have a Yahoo account. If I didn't, of course I'd
have to get through that graphic thing for that, too. But that's all done.
However, what I said was:
1. I first tried to join the group simply by sending the subscribe email and
then replying directly too the Confirm email that the Yahoo server returns
to you when you do that. If this isn't clear, please tell me. However, I
didn't receive a conforming message welcoming me to the group, nor being to
receive any posts from the mailing list. In other words, replying to that
Confirm email failed to get me into the group.
2. So, as an alternative, I clicked on the link that takes you directly to
the group's site. There, as I'm already have a Yahoo account, I logged in
with my User ID. Then I was right there on the page for joining this group.
I did the required stuff like choose which format to get the emails in,
which email address to use to receive it, and so forth. but the last thing
in that list of things to do was the graphical code thing, with the notation
to write and ask for someone to call you if you were using a screen reader,
or were just very low vision and couldn't see the graphic properly.
And that's the scenario. I hope this is more clear. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Renette Bloem" <renette@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription
Yardbird
Subscribing to blindbooks was easy.
However creating the account with the Yahoo group was a whole mission.
I had to ask a sighted friend to "search" for the code that one has to type
in and it took him some time to discover it on the screen.
Fortunately I am done for the time being - until the next time ...!
Renette
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: 01 January 2007 21:22
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: correct information: website of scanned books and
subscription
Hi Renette,
First of all, thanks for this information about joining this list. I'll be
interested to see what sort of discussions happen there and also what
resources, including scanned books, may be circulating. I have one question,
and wonder what your own experience has been with this Yahoo group
registration and others like it.
As you're sure to be aware, if you've joined the group by now, completing
group registration for a Yahoo group requires a final step of typing into a
text field the characters shown in a graphical display that a screen reader
can't see because it's a graphical display, not HTML.
Some Web sites using this kind of security feature (I keep forgetting what
it's called; something that sounds like captcha or something), there's a
button a screen reader user can click on to get a streaming audio rendering
of the characters, and then type in what they hear. Sometimes this works
nicely, other times the voice is distorted or, ironically, the reading
begins too quickly so that Jaws is still announcing the launch of your media
player, which obscures the first character or two. But that's another
issue, one I can only wish was my only problem here. At least when that
happens, you can keep trying until the reading changes to another set of
characters and/or begins a little less precipitously.
On Yahoo, there's a link to a special form for the screen reader user to
request telephone or online help. Actually, the notice on the groups page
now just says you'll be called by someone. Sorry. Anyway, I tried to join a
Yahoo group just this way a couple of months ago, and my experience with the
customer support people was horrendous. For one thing, though I'd written in
my message very clearly which group I wanted to join, and what my problem
was, the people who called me, one after another, had no idea what it was I
needed, didn't know what a screen reader was, transferred me to other
departments saying they were supposed to help only with registration, not
with group joining, and so forth. It was crazy.
Then, I finally was called by someone who understood what I told them about
the situation. They told me, for some reason I can't remember,that they
actually *couldn't* help me, just by completing my registration, but what
they could do was enter a special instruction in the Yahoo system saying
that my account ID would never again be presented with a graphical image
blockade. Well, first they said or implied this adjustment would be
temporary, but couldn't tell me when the window would open and when it
would close, which led to a crazy discussion. Then the same person said they
could make it permanent, and that when I tried again, if I waited a few days
for the change to take effect, I'd find no graphical blockade anymore when I
tried to sign up for a yahoo group.
Well, I've just been there, under the right account ID, responding directly
from the blindbooks group confirm email you get after sending the request to
join email, and the captcha thing is still there. And I am not going to ask
those people to call me again, not on your life. I'll wait until a sighted
friend comes by tomorrow or the next day and get them to just do that step
for me.
But I'm disappointed, as this is annoying and takes away some independence
that I'd rather have about things like this. How did you go about joining?
By the way, as always happens to me with these Yahoo group signups, simply
replying to the confirm email never gets me onto a list or a group. Never
has. I reply to that email, as required, and never receive the welcome email
to the group or ,list. So, that's another issue.
Thanks for whatever help or insight you may be able to offer.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Renette Bloem" <renette@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "jaws mailing list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: correct information: website of scanned books and subscription
Hi All
Thanks to everybody who helped me to get the address of the website
containing scanned books.
A member from another list gave me the correct information.
I gladly share it with all of you:
"What your after is at blindbooks-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
They also have a site associated with it. Hope to see you there. We share
books and well things.. lol... Happy new year!"
Renette
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