hello. I'm not quite clear how this works. For one thing, I already have Jaws set to load on startup (isn't that as a "service?"). So, the only time I use my shortcut (actually, I tend more often to use control alt j and not the icon, because I don't need Jaws running to find it!). But I don't understand the point of doing this. I'm missing something, maybe? Again, the only time I start Jaws manually at all is when I've exited it for some reason, like that a sighted friend's been using the computer and preferred it to be actually off, not just have the volume turned down. So they could use the Web properly, for instance, without the interference of the virtual buffer screen. Normal enough. But then, if they don't remember to restart jaws (there's a toilet seat joke in there somewhere, with screen reader users being the female and sighted computer user friends being the males), then I just hit my shortcut key combo and it launches. And, if I shut down, next time I boot up, it loads as a service, as usual. Unless this isn't what "service" means? Okay, that's one question. The other is, if my Jaws is already loading on startup, then how come it doesn't already keep speaking all the way through the Windows shutdown sequence, until the screen goes dark? Maybe you can see the source of my confusion in my questions. I hope. Educated me, please. Thanks. cirtual enitrely,from the desktop or but that isn't my pointcla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "JAWS-Users" <jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service Hi all, I've recently discovered that there is a way to manually start JAWS as a service using the JAWS shortcut placed on the desktop once JAWS is installed. Here's how to do it: 1. Go to the desktop with Windows M 2. Press j until JAWS <version> (where <version> is the version(s) of JAWS you've installed, such as JAWS 8.0). 3. Press alt enter to open the JAWS properties. The JAWS properties dialogue box appears, with the target edit field in focus. 4. Delete what's in the target field and type the following, exactly as shown: net start jfwservice 5. Press enter. 6. Press F5 to refresh your desktop. To test this: 1. Unload JAWS with insert F4 and enter. 2. Go to the desktop and press enter on the JAWS icon whose properties you have modified. 3. Although JAWS will load as expected, you'll notice that unlike the regular shortcut that's placed after you've installed JAWS, JAWS will speak even after you've logged off windows! Hope this tip is of some use! David, you may want to put this up on your site for those who are interested. Enjoy! Christopher Hallsworth E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype name chrishallsworth7266 MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.9/870 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 10:07 AM -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx