Hi all, I've recently discovered that there is a way to manually start JAWS as a service using the JAWS shortcut placed on the desktop once JAWS is installed. Here's how to do it: 1. Go to the desktop with Windows M 2. Press j until JAWS <version> (where <version> is the version(s) of JAWS you've installed, such as JAWS 8.0). 3. Press alt enter to open the JAWS properties. The JAWS properties dialogue box appears, with the target edit field in focus. 4. Delete what's in the target field and type the following, exactly as shown: net start jfwservice 5. Press enter. 6. Press F5 to refresh your desktop. To test this: 1. Unload JAWS with insert F4 and enter. 2. Go to the desktop and press enter on the JAWS icon whose properties you have modified. 3. Although JAWS will load as expected, you'll notice that unlike the regular shortcut that's placed after you've installed JAWS, JAWS will speak even after you've logged off windows! Hope this tip is of some use! David, you may want to put this up on your site for those who are interested. Enjoy! Christopher Hallsworth E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype name chrishallsworth7266 MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx