Thank you. I googled jsay/jaws/dnc and wound up at the Independent Living
AIDS web site to see how they described JSay's functionality, and from
what
I gather it appears that without JSay DNC can be used only in a
comparatively rudimentary way by a Jaws person. From their description,
it
wasn't clear how much JSay could enhance the basic writing and editing
function which, innocently, I thought was all there was to DNC, but it
can
allow you to control your entire computer in every way you'd do with the
mouse if you were sighted or, alternatively, with the keyboard.
Personally, if I ever were to try out DNC, it would be only for purposes
of
writing and, if possible without JSay, editing without having to type.
Not
at all because (Knock wood here) I've lost the use of my hands or can't
type
for any other reason, but just as an intrigueing alternative. I wouldn't
wish to control anything beyond this. Nothing would prevent me from
launching Word and opening a document just as I do now, but then sitting
back and talking my way through some writing, just to see how it worked.
I could spell check as usual, using my keyboard, and so forth. Or I could
dictate an email IN Outlook express but then spell check it as usual and
send it as usual, not needing to tell my computer to do these things for
me.
Is this an oversimplified idea of basic DNC usage? Are there some of
these
things I still couldn't manage if I'm a Jaws user, without JSay? This is
asked without making a fuss over the price, which is right up there with
the prices of full-featured OCR and screen reader software, to which I
say,
despite the below explanation, wow.
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <Bruce@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally
speaking)
J-Say is a set of scripts that assist JAWS in properly interfacing with
DNS. As with many other JAWS scripts, much can be accomplished without
them, but the scripts do make it easier, and probably provide
accessibility to other things which would otherwise not be accessible.
But whereas some scripts are minor, basic and simple, the J-Say scripts
are very complex and have taken years to write and keep up-to-date,
hence the cost associated with them.
Bruce
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:44 -0800, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
this is a very basic question, and I'd appreciate someone clarifying it
for
me: I'm a Jaws user. I don't know much about voice recognition software
like
DNS. From what I've gathered, JSsay is software that allows Jaws and DNS
to
be used together, in ways I haven't been able to imagine but trust is
the
case.
Well, my question is, what is it that JSay actually does? Is it
something
you can't do without if you're a jaws user and want to dictate to your
computer? Otherwise, let's see, how would it not work for you? You would
have to exit Jaws, launch DNC (when I hear "dnc," I keep thinking of the
National Democratic Committee and Howard Dean, and that's not meant to
be
a
divisive partisan comment) and then DNC would allow you to dictate
instead
of type, assuming you could type, but then to read and possibly edit
what
you'd dictated, you'd have to exit DNS and launch Jaws again, and so on,
back and forth? Or am I not imagining accurately how all this would
work?
If
I'm way off, how *would* it work?
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
Oh so your using J-Say. That's a shame, thought it might have been
without.
As I have full use of my arms I couldn't justify the cost of both J-Say
and
Dragon.
Peterb
From: Chris Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:27 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
Hello Jeff.
Just a few of the things that you will have to get used to while
dictating
or as follows. The biggest thing is keeping control of the microphone
meaning making sure that the microphone is asleep when you are not using
it
for example when someone comes into your office or cubicle and wants to
carry on a conversation with you. I would say the next biggest thing is
to
learn how to talk without using filler words such as o m, or and. If you
are
going to be using speech recognition software while on the phone with
customers you will have a whole other set of problems to overcome. For
example where now you can type and speak to the customer at the same
time
of
course you will not be able to speak to dragon naturally speaking and
the
customer at the same time. You should at least take all this into
consideration before making an investment into speech recognition
software.
I will say for me Dragon naturally speaking along with J--Say is the
best
purchase I ever made.
I hope this helps.
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:48 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
Thanks Pat,
If you didn't have to spend a great deal of time teaching it to
recognize
your voice, where does the learning curve come in? This is for work
where I
have XP. Do you think that it would be significantly different from
Vista
with DNS?
Jeff
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Pat L
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:36 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
Jeffrey,
I have experimented with DNS 10 and have been very favorably impressed.
The
speech recognition out of the box without training was remarkably good.
I
was able to dictate a few test e-mails with surprisingly good results.
However, there is a steep learning curve to master this feature rich
program. The program is cheap - I was able to buy it from Nuance on a
promotion for around $50. If you are willing to make the investment and
devote time to the learning process, it might work for you. As of now, I
can't afford the time to use it consistently, but that may not be true
for
you.
HTH,
Pat
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:06 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
Hi Jeffrey,
I've never used DNS with Jaws, but I did have some success with the
built
in
speech recognition in Windows Vista, using System Access.
HTH
Russell
From: Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:41 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
I'm in my early sixties and between contact sports when young and
sighted
and decades of copious typing, I fear that I have developed arthritis in
my
hands. I'd like to use Dragon. The party line from FS is that one can
only
do it with Dragon Professional and the T and T consultancy intermediate
program. I believe that I have heard one or two on this list say that
they
use Dragon Naturally Speaking directly with jaws. I'd be grateful for
any
feedback on this issue
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