Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
- From: Yardbird <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:20:42 -0800
Pablo,
Thanks. That's what I was hoping. Sounds like a good strategy.
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pablo" <ps8001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
i would think if you use headphones, instead of a speaker, jaws wouldn't
interfere, and DNS should work fine, once you train it that is... i was able
to do this years ago..
i think a jaws user can do simple dictation..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
> Thanks, Gerald. I'll listen to a little bit of it, but honestly, my
> question
> was really simple and I thought someone might just tell me. I'm a Jaws
> user
> but otherwise unimpaired in regard to operating my computer and its
> applications from the keyboard. My only interest in Dragon Naturally
> Speaking would be for the novelty and convenience, if it appealed to me,
> of
> dictating an email or a Word document now and then, the same reason a lot
> of
> sighted, hand-capable people use it..
>
> I simply wondered if it would be outrageously complicated to achieve this
> because of some problems I can't imagine where Jaws might have to he
> disabled in order to use DNS, or something of that sort. That's really all
> I
> wanted to know, not a two-hour riff about the features of JSay. If DNS
> can't
> be used with or despite Jaws without resorting to JSay, it's no longer of
> interest to me.
>
> Hope that's more clear. Thanks for your input.
>
> jhour emagine acheive operatioing sipoimy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:48 AM
> Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
>
>
>
> Try the web site below for an audio presentation about J-Say. It's under
> the heading "Related Pages About J-Say". I heard it with my own two ears.
>
> http://www.tandt-consultancy.com/j-say%20_6.html
>
> Gerald
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally speaking)
>
>
>> Hi Gerald,
>>
>> I went to the link below and did a Find for jSay, but all I came up with
>> was
>> an item where you could click on Brian Hartgen's name to hear what he had
>> to
>> say about something to do with JSay, but when I got there, the page spoke
>> only about something to do with portable media players. There were no
>> other
>> occasions of the string JSay on that linked page.
>>
>> So I googled JSay, and the first hit that came up was a company
>> introduction
>> to JSay Pro as of a few months ago. I read all that material, and felt as
>> if
>> I was confirmed in my impression that if my reason for trying Dragon
>> Naturally Speaking was only to try writing a document or an email without
>> typing, JSay might not be necessary, although I suppose one has to turn
>> down
>> the volume of Jaws so that JSay doesn't hear it if you happen to touch
>> the
>> keyboard while you're dictating. Beyond that, I couldn't imagine the
>> likely
>> scenario. For instance, could I cause Word or OE to write, but have to
>> exit
>> or subdue JSay in order to edit and/or spell check what I'd initially
>> dictated, before going on? This isn't clear to me.
>>
>> Anyway, I do get the impression that, if I can type and otherwise operate
>> my
>> computer without any help except for Jaws, then JSay may be of little use
>> to
>> me at all. Although I'm not sure about how things would go, as I said
>> above.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally
>> speaking)
>>
>>
>>
>> Joel,
>>
>> I suggest you listen to a demo of J-Say to hear for yourself what it can
>> do.
>> You can find two presentations on J-Say on the ACB Radio Main Menu On
>> Demand
>> page below. Just type "j-say" into the Find command edit field,
>> Control-F,
>> to locate them. If you're seriously interested in using voice
>> recognition
>> with JAWS, these presentations should be very helpful. Gerald
>>
>> http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=19
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally
>> speaking)
>>
>>
>>> Thank you. I googled jsay/jaws/dnc and wound up at the Independent
>>> Living
>>> AIDS web site to see how they described JSay's functionality, and from
>>> what
>>> I gather it appears that without JSay DNC can be used only in a
>>> comparatively rudimentary way by a Jaws person. From their description,
>>> it
>>> wasn't clear how much JSay could enhance the basic writing and editing
>>> function which, innocently, I thought was all there was to DNC, but it
>>> can
>>> allow you to control your entire computer in every way you'd do with the
>>> mouse if you were sighted or, alternatively, with the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Personally, if I ever were to try out DNC, it would be only for purposes
>>> of
>>> writing and, if possible without JSay, editing without having to type.
>>> Not
>>> at all because (Knock wood here) I've lost the use of my hands or can't
>>> type
>>> for any other reason, but just as an intrigueing alternative. I wouldn't
>>> wish to control anything beyond this. Nothing would prevent me from
>>> launching Word and opening a document just as I do now, but then sitting
>>> back and talking my way through some writing, just to see how it worked.
>>>
>>> I could spell check as usual, using my keyboard, and so forth. Or I
>>> could
>>> dictate an email IN Outlook express but then spell check it as usual and
>>> send it as usual, not needing to tell my computer to do these things for
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Is this an oversimplified idea of basic DNC usage? Are there some of
>>> these
>>> things I still couldn't manage if I'm a Jaws user, without JSay? This is
>>> asked without making a fuss over the price, which is right up there with
>>> the prices of full-featured OCR and screen reader software, to which I
>>> say,
>>> despite the below explanation, wow.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bruce Toews" <Bruce@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: JSay basic questions (was jaws and dragon naturally
>>> speaking)
>>>
>>>
>>> J-Say is a set of scripts that assist JAWS in properly interfacing with
>>> DNS. As with many other JAWS scripts, much can be accomplished without
>>> them, but the scripts do make it easier, and probably provide
>>> accessibility to other things which would otherwise not be accessible.
>>> But whereas some scripts are minor, basic and simple, the J-Say scripts
>>> are very complex and have taken years to write and keep up-to-date,
>>> hence the cost associated with them.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:44 -0800, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> said:
>>>> this is a very basic question, and I'd appreciate someone clarifying it
>>>> for
>>>> me: I'm a Jaws user. I don't know much about voice recognition software
>>>> like
>>>> DNS. From what I've gathered, JSsay is software that allows Jaws and
>>>> DNS
>>>> to
>>>> be used together, in ways I haven't been able to imagine but trust is
>>>> the
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>> Well, my question is, what is it that JSay actually does? Is it
>>>> something
>>>> you can't do without if you're a jaws user and want to dictate to your
>>>> computer? Otherwise, let's see, how would it not work for you? You
>>>> would
>>>> have to exit Jaws, launch DNC (when I hear "dnc," I keep thinking of
>>>> the
>>>> National Democratic Committee and Howard Dean, and that's not meant to
>>>> be
>>>> a
>>>> divisive partisan comment) and then DNC would allow you to dictate
>>>> instead
>>>> of type, assuming you could type, but then to read and possibly edit
>>>> what
>>>> you'd dictated, you'd have to exit DNS and launch Jaws again, and so
>>>> on,
>>>> back and forth? Or am I not imagining accurately how all this would
>>>> work?
>>>> If
>>>> I'm way off, how *would* it work?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh so your using J-Say. That's a shame, thought it might have been
>>>> without.
>>>> As I have full use of my arms I couldn't justify the cost of both J-Say
>>>> and
>>>> Dragon.
>>>>
>>>> Peterb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Chris Jenkins
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:27 PM
>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Jeff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just a few of the things that you will have to get used to while
>>>> dictating
>>>> or as follows. The biggest thing is keeping control of the microphone
>>>> meaning making sure that the microphone is asleep when you are not
>>>> using
>>>> it
>>>> for example when someone comes into your office or cubicle and wants to
>>>> carry on a conversation with you. I would say the next biggest thing is
>>>> to
>>>> learn how to talk without using filler words such as o m, or and. If
>>>> you
>>>> are
>>>> going to be using speech recognition software while on the phone with
>>>> customers you will have a whole other set of problems to overcome. For
>>>> example where now you can type and speak to the customer at the same
>>>> time
>>>> of
>>>> course you will not be able to speak to dragon naturally speaking and
>>>> the
>>>> customer at the same time. You should at least take all this into
>>>> consideration before making an investment into speech recognition
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will say for me Dragon naturally speaking along with J--Say is the
>>>> best
>>>> purchase I ever made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeffrey Schwartz
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:48 PM
>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Pat,
>>>>
>>>> If you didn't have to spend a great deal of time teaching it to
>>>> recognize
>>>> your voice, where does the learning curve come in? This is for work
>>>> where I
>>>> have XP. Do you think that it would be significantly different from
>>>> Vista
>>>> with DNS?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Pat L
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:36 PM
>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have experimented with DNS 10 and have been very favorably impressed.
>>>> The
>>>> speech recognition out of the box without training was remarkably good.
>>>> I
>>>> was able to dictate a few test e-mails with surprisingly good results.
>>>> However, there is a steep learning curve to master this feature rich
>>>> program. The program is cheap - I was able to buy it from Nuance on a
>>>> promotion for around $50. If you are willing to make the investment and
>>>> devote time to the learning process, it might work for you. As of now,
>>>> I
>>>> can't afford the time to use it consistently, but that may not be true
>>>> for
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Russell Solowoniuk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:06 AM
>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeffrey,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've never used DNS with Jaws, but I did have some success with the
>>>> built
>>>> in
>>>> speech recognition in Windows Vista, using System Access.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Russell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Jeffrey Schwartz
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:41 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> Subject: jaws and dragon naturally speaking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm in my early sixties and between contact sports when young and
>>>> sighted
>>>> and decades of copious typing, I fear that I have developed arthritis
>>>> in
>>>> my
>>>> hands. I'd like to use Dragon. The party line from FS is that one can
>>>> only
>>>> do it with Dragon Professional and the T and T consultancy intermediate
>>>> program. I believe that I have heard one or two on this list say that
>>>> they
>>>> use Dragon Naturally Speaking directly with jaws. I'd be grateful for
>>>> any
>>>> feedback on this issue
>>>>
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