[jawsscripts] Re: pesky damn combo boxes, revisited

  • From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:55:54 -0700

Never mind, Doug--just ignore the question about the source code--I
found it. Sorry. This will give me some idea of what you're doing
w/these keys & help me track these objects.

On 4/30/08, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ok, Doug, that all worked as u described. Does your bx toolbox come
> w/any source code? I haven't had much time to take a look at stuff,
> though the user guide doesn't mention it. I'll keep looking.
>
> On 4/30/08, chad.foster@xxxxxxxxxx <chad.foster@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > You can also route the JAWS or Invisible cursor to the combo box and
> > use CTRL+C to start with the current object - that should do the
> > trick.
> >
> > I have rarely, if ever, seen a program where you are unable to glean a
> > MSAA object. Typically, you can attach to an object pointer, even if
> > it is a useless one.
> >
> > -Chad
> >
> > On 4/30/08, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Get list of objects. I finally did get it to tell me its role is a
> > > combo box. It does seem to have 1 child, text, which is "focusable".
> > > All the get object rect functions fail. Arg!
> > >
> > > On 4/30/08, Doug Lee <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > One thing baffles me:  If you have no MSAA info for the combo box and
> > > > its items, how are you getting the list of items in the box now?
> > > > GetListOfObjects, or something else?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 02:44:07PM -0700, Jackie McBride wrote:
> > > > Roy, thanks for the tip, but, no, that's not the difficulty--I did
> > > > that. When I said this was 1 of the most MSAA *unaware* apps I've
> > > > seen, I was not kidding, folks--I was serious as a heart attack.
> > > > Having said all that though, I will never rule out the possibility
> > > > that my ineptitude could & probably does play a role, but I actually
> > > > did the control f thing right.
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/08, Roy Nickelson <roylee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > I haven't been followig this thread but as a user it sounds like you
> > > > forgot
> > > > > to press ctrl+f in step 3.  make sure that the pc cursor is on the
> > combo
> > > > box
> > > > > before following chad's instructions.
> > > > > Roy
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:22 PM
> > > > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: pesky damn combo boxes, revisited
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chad:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, been there, done that, & the only message I get is "object not
> > > > > found", no matter what I do.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, guess it's time for plan b, huh? Aint that just a barrel of fun!
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/30/08, chad.foster@xxxxxxxxxx <chad.foster@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Try Doug Lee's BX utility found at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://users.visi.com/~dgl/bx/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once you install it, you want to use MSAA mode by doing the
> > following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Turn on BX by pressing INSERT+SPACEBAR
> > > > > > 2. Switch to MSAA mode by pressing apostrophe (') followed by M
> (M)
> > > > > > 3. Place BX on the focused object by pressing CTRL+F
> > > > > > 4. Arrow up, down, right, and left to explore the object hierarchy
> > > > > > 5. If you find a relationship of your combo box items, then it can
> > be
> > > > > > scripted using MSAA
> > > > > > 6. If you are unable to find your combo box items, then we'll have
> > to
> > > > > > think of plan B
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chad
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/30/08, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > Chad, here seems to be the problem: the parent window of the
> combo
> > > box
> > > > > > > in question contains not only objects from the combo box being
> > > worked
> > > > > > > with, but others as well, & objects often have identical names.
> So
> > > > > > > trying to sort which object belongs to which combo box is gonna
> be
> > a
> > > > > > > well, uh, b-word. Maybe I will be able to figure out which
> objects
> > > go
> > > > > > > w/which boxes, but the problem is that there are 4 combo
> boxes--1
> > > for
> > > > > > > soft synths, which is actually easy to figure out where they
> > belong,
> > > &
> > > > > > > 3 identical boxes that contain names of effects which can be
> > chained
> > > > > > > together. These obviously have all identical names, so trying to
> > > > > > > figure out which names go with which is gonna get interesting,
> but
> > > > > > > I'll play w/it some more. Thanks for the suggestion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/30/08, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > In short, James, no, but it'd sure make my life easier if I
> > could.
> > > > > > > > Chad, let me look a little closer at what u r saying here.
> This
> > is
> > > 1
> > > > > > > > of the most MSAA *unaware* apps I've worked w/in a long, long
> > time
> > > &
> > > > > > > > also poorly written, e.g., combo boxes & radio buttons have a
> > > couple
> > > > > > > > different window classes (e.g., comboLBox & TComboBox) even
> > within
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > same program! I really think part of what's happened here is
> > that
> > > > > > > > they've continued to add features over the years but never
> > revised
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > code to bring it into sync w/the new tools they're using, etc.
> > > > Having
> > > > > > > > said all that, I'm not altogether certain I'm intelligent
> enough
> > > to
> > > > > > > > know how to do what u just said were the app the most
> > well-written
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > the world, Chad. But I'll look at it some more & see if maybe
> I
> > > > can't
> > > > > > > > muddle thru.  I really do wish I could find some decent
> > materials
> > > &
> > > > > > > > docs regarding objects, MSAA, UI automation--whatever & all of
> > the
> > > > > > > > above. Any suggestions from any1 welcome. I have downloaded
> both
> > > the
> > > > > > > > windows & MSAA sdk, but it seems as though they kind of assume
> u
> > > > > > > > already know what you're doing--not a good assumption when it
> > > comes
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > lil oal me, that's a certainty.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Frustrated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 4/30/08, James Dietz <James.Dietz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Can't you just use alt+down to "open" the combo, choose
> item,
> > > then
> > > > > > > > > alt
> > > > > > > > > +up to "select" it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ok, yall, as I think I explained in a previous post, I've
> > got
> > > a
> > > > > > combo
> > > > > > > > > > box which, when the arrow keys are pressed, not only give
> > the
> > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > focus but select it as well. The problem here is that,
> when
> > > one
> > > > > > > > > > presses a key, if the synth is not working or whatever, u
> > get
> > > a
> > > > > > dialog
> > > > > > > > > > box to that effect & then u gotta go back to the combo &
> > > select
> > > > > > > > > > something else. Real pita. So I tried collecting the
> objects
> > > > > > contained
> > > > > > > > > > in the combo box into a list with dlgSelectItemInList.
> Works
> > > > fine
> > > > > > > > > > until the item is selected, e.g., I'm havin trouble
> matching
> > > the
> > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > selected in the list to the item selected in the combo
> box.
> > I
> > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > playin around w/a whole lot of stuff--SetCurrentItem,
> (works
> > > > > > > > > > intermittently but does not select), send message (doesn't
> > > seem
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > work at all though perhaps I'm doing that wrong), click
> > object
> > > > by
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > (says it works but doesn't), just trying to click it
> (object
> > > > can't
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > found).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Any1 got any brilliant ideas? Appreciate anything any1 has
> > to
> > > > > > > > > > offer.
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