[jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:52:57 +0100
Amie While I can accept that there may be companies making money out of the
need for access technology, people buy the product because they need it and
in the free market there is nothing to stop companies charging what they
want. either put up with it or buy a different product. if everyone bought
a different product then the screenreader manufacturers would have to find a
different model of selling screenreaders.
Rather than moaning about the situation we all need to be asking what can be
done to make computers accessible to all?
clearly this is quite a difficult question to answer. there is the NVDA
screenreader and the screenreader built in to theapple IMac, Mini etc.
it is also worth noting that in the past there has not always been close
liaison between the commercial screenreader producers and those such as
microsoft writing the operating systems. so I don't disagree with you that
things need to change. the question is what needs to change and how do we
ensure that screen reader development continues in the future with
manufacturers continuing to make products more accessible?
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 17:15
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
But I don't think I do need to put myself in their position. I'm a
customer, a consumer. It is for them to put themselves, as a profit-making
business, in my position. Even as a self-employed sole trader I wouldn't
dream of using my need for income as an excuse for monopolising a captive
market with a substandard product. Neither would any of the business people
of my acquaintance. It is for businesses to serve customers; not the other
way around.
Bang :o) (for Tom)
A
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 06 September 2011 16:12
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Amie yes I'm afraid you are rather going off on one. You need to put
yourself in the position of the manufacturer of the screenreader who relies
on the screenreader sales for income.
Yes there are problems with the over all model. Yes I have problems with
some aspects of the way freedom scientific in particular chooses to do
business i.e. aggressive use of law suits.
It is interesting to note that while apple has developed its own
screenreader, there is also some suggestion at least that the next version
of windows 8 will have a more useful screenreader built in.
I do hope that there will come a time when expensive screenreaders that cost
more than the hardware they run on will not be required as they will be part
of the operating system but if programmers and technical support people have
to live off the revenue of sales from a screenreader it is likely to be
expensive.
Regards
Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:24
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
For sure, just as I'm looking at JAWS 12. What a confounded rip-off the
whole racket is.
Well done us for not swearing (lol) when, yet again, confronted with this
very old chestnut, centring on blind people being an easy target for those
intent on making money out of tech sighted people would laugh out of the
water.
Anyway, here I go, off on one: chunter chunter chunter.
Thanks Tom, for pointing this out. Important info.
A
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of tom.reid21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:17
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] An old chestnut
Hi folks,
I've gone on for some time about access 2003--7 not being read properly
under xp. the tab is silent.
Through sightandsound, we have a reply from F s saying that it is a known
issue under xp and vista.
here's the punch line, though, it is scheduled to be fixed under jaws 13.
I've got an sma for this so may be okay if it is fixed, but, what about
those who haven't.
Surely, this is not good enough.
anybody affected should raise this.
tom
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