Amie, yes, but the logical extension of that argument is that everything should be free and nobody should be expected to pay for (or do) anything. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 06 September 2011 17:15 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut But I don't think I do need to put myself in their position. I'm a customer, a consumer. It is for them to put themselves, as a profit-making business, in my position. Even as a self-employed sole trader I wouldn't dream of using my need for income as an excuse for monopolising a captive market with a substandard product. Neither would any of the business people of my acquaintance. It is for businesses to serve customers; not the other way around. Bang :o) (for Tom) A -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page Sent: 06 September 2011 16:12 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut Amie yes I'm afraid you are rather going off on one. You need to put yourself in the position of the manufacturer of the screenreader who relies on the screenreader sales for income. Yes there are problems with the over all model. Yes I have problems with some aspects of the way freedom scientific in particular chooses to do business i.e. aggressive use of law suits. It is interesting to note that while apple has developed its own screenreader, there is also some suggestion at least that the next version of windows 8 will have a more useful screenreader built in. I do hope that there will come a time when expensive screenreaders that cost more than the hardware they run on will not be required as they will be part of the operating system but if programmers and technical support people have to live off the revenue of sales from a screenreader it is likely to be expensive. Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 06 September 2011 14:24 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut For sure, just as I'm looking at JAWS 12. What a confounded rip-off the whole racket is. Well done us for not swearing (lol) when, yet again, confronted with this very old chestnut, centring on blind people being an easy target for those intent on making money out of tech sighted people would laugh out of the water. Anyway, here I go, off on one: chunter chunter chunter. Thanks Tom, for pointing this out. Important info. A -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tom.reid21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 06 September 2011 14:17 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] An old chestnut Hi folks, I've gone on for some time about access 2003--7 not being read properly under xp. the tab is silent. Through sightandsound, we have a reply from F s saying that it is a known issue under xp and vista. here's the punch line, though, it is scheduled to be fixed under jaws 13. I've got an sma for this so may be okay if it is fixed, but, what about those who haven't. 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