[jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
- From: "John SAVAGE" <johnnyboy184@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:43:55 +0100
So have FS and the suppliers of, say, WindowEyes got together in a
(nowadays, one presumes, smoke-free) room and fixed prices? Sounds a dodgy
conspiracy theory to me.
Yes, realistically there's little that we can do about it, in the short-term
anyway, but it's theraputic to have an occasional moan on an email list!
However, I'm sure that most listers have got better things to do, so I won't
be continuing with this thread for much longer.
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone - CW" <Alex.Stone-CW@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
> Darren, yes of course we should, however we have to be realistic about
> what happens in markets with only one or two players in them. I'm no
> economist, but what tends to happen is that the one or two players end
> up fixing prices between themselves.
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren H
> Sent: 07 September 2011 09:56
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Sorry, that's a bit of a cop out.
>
> Just because we're blind, shouldn't we expect the kind of service from
> our access providers that we do eveyrone else?
>
> If Jaws was a mainstream program with a good deal of other providers
> available, it would never stand up to scrutiny.
>
> It only survives because it's the best of a fairly poor bunch.
>
> Cheers
> Darren
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Alex Stone - CW
> Sent: 07 September 2011 09:55
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Darren, it is unfortunate, however, even if there was any useful
> competition we'd only end up with a cartel rather than the current
> monopoly.
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren H
> Sent: 06 September 2011 17:25
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Hi.
>
> It is just unfortunate that jaws hasn't got any competition to speak of.
>
> For all it's faults, it still seems to do a better job than any other
> screen reader I've tried.
>
> Which obviously means, they can do what they jolly well please and we'll
> just have to go along with it.
>
> Yes, of course businesses are there to make a profit.
>
> But the idea of business is to make a profit with a product that works
> correctly and as intended, not half do a job but know that people will
> purchase anyway because they have to.
>
> I'm in the fortunate position of being able to comfortably afford the
> upgrades, but for those that aren't, it's a real pain in the gonads.
>
> Cheers
> Darren
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Amie Slavin
> Sent: 06 September 2011 17:15
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> But I don't think I do need to put myself in their position. I'm a
> customer, a consumer. It is for them to put themselves, as a
> profit-making business, in my position. Even as a self-employed sole
> trader I wouldn't dream of using my need for income as an excuse for
> monopolising a captive market with a substandard product. Neither would
> any of the business people of my acquaintance. It is for businesses to
> serve customers; not the other way around.
> Bang :o) (for Tom)
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Graham Page
> Sent: 06 September 2011 16:12
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Amie yes I'm afraid you are rather going off on one. You need to put
> yourself in the position of the manufacturer of the screenreader who
> relies on the screenreader sales for income.
>
> Yes there are problems with the over all model. Yes I have problems
> with some aspects of the way freedom scientific in particular chooses to
> do business i.e. aggressive use of law suits.
> It is interesting to note that while apple has developed its own
> screenreader, there is also some suggestion at least that the next
> version of windows 8 will have a more useful screenreader built in.
>
> I do hope that there will come a time when expensive screenreaders that
> cost more than the hardware they run on will not be required as they
> will be part of the operating system but if programmers and technical
> support people have to live off the revenue of sales from a screenreader
> it is likely to be expensive.
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Amie Slavin
> Sent: 06 September 2011 14:24
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> For sure, just as I'm looking at JAWS 12. What a confounded rip-off the
> whole racket is.
> Well done us for not swearing (lol) when, yet again, confronted with
> this very old chestnut, centring on blind people being an easy target
> for those intent on making money out of tech sighted people would laugh
> out of the water.
> Anyway, here I go, off on one: chunter chunter chunter.
> Thanks Tom, for pointing this out. Important info.
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of tom.reid21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 06 September 2011 14:17
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] An old chestnut
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've gone on for some time about access 2003--7 not being read properly
> under xp. the tab is silent.
>
> Through sightandsound, we have a reply from F s saying that it is a
> known issue under xp and vista.
>
> here's the punch line, though, it is scheduled to be fixed under jaws
> 13.
>
> I've got an sma for this so may be okay if it is fixed, but, what about
> those who haven't.
>
> Surely, this is not good enough.
>
> anybody affected should raise this.
>
> tom
>
>
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