[jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
- From: Barry Toner <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:22:53 +0100
Guys,
The thing is... It's not FS who are to blame here. It's not any Adaptive Tech
company. By all means, don't' buy JAWS. Vote with your feet instead of
smacking your desks and complaining. There's Window Eyes, NVDA, System Access
on the Windows platforms. As others have said, wait to see what Microsoft has
to offer in Windows 8.
The fact is we live in a society where, we get Disability Living Allowance.
This is meant to cover extra costs associated with our individual disabilities.
EG. Buy a Screen Reader. Two major factors are wrong with this.
1. 75% + of Vis are unemployed, and therefore it's used as an income
supplement.
2. Some people don't prioritize their finances.
I've been looking for work for over 2 years. I know what it's like falling on
hard times. I've been there years ago on email lists complaining company X, Y
and Z arent' doing a good enough job. There's a point where you have to make a
decision what you are going to do about it. Select an alternative Adaptive
solution for Windows, or move platforms to Linux or Mac. FS aren't going to
change their business base don what a handful of us complain about on here. If
you think FS haven't listened to their customers up until now, (many do), what
good do you really think this thread is doing to change that? I'll tell you,
not one single thing.
Regards,
Barry.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone - CW
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:52 AM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Amie, yes, but the logical extension of that argument is that everything
should be free and nobody should be expected to pay for (or do)
anything.
Cheers
Alex
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 17:15
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
But I don't think I do need to put myself in their position. I'm a
customer, a consumer. It is for them to put themselves, as a
profit-making business, in my position. Even as a self-employed sole
trader I wouldn't dream of using my need for income as an excuse for
monopolising a captive market with a substandard product. Neither would
any of the business people of my acquaintance. It is for businesses to
serve customers; not the other way around.
Bang :o) (for Tom)
A
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 06 September 2011 16:12
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Amie yes I'm afraid you are rather going off on one. You need to put
yourself in the position of the manufacturer of the screenreader who
relies on the screenreader sales for income.
Yes there are problems with the over all model. Yes I have problems
with some aspects of the way freedom scientific in particular chooses to
do business i.e. aggressive use of law suits.
It is interesting to note that while apple has developed its own
screenreader, there is also some suggestion at least that the next
version of windows 8 will have a more useful screenreader built in.
I do hope that there will come a time when expensive screenreaders that
cost more than the hardware they run on will not be required as they
will be part of the operating system but if programmers and technical
support people have to live off the revenue of sales from a screenreader
it is likely to be expensive.
Regards
Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:24
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
For sure, just as I'm looking at JAWS 12. What a confounded rip-off the
whole racket is.
Well done us for not swearing (lol) when, yet again, confronted with
this very old chestnut, centring on blind people being an easy target
for those intent on making money out of tech sighted people would laugh
out of the water.
Anyway, here I go, off on one: chunter chunter chunter.
Thanks Tom, for pointing this out. Important info.
A
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of tom.reid21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:17
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] An old chestnut
Hi folks,
I've gone on for some time about access 2003--7 not being read properly
under xp. the tab is silent.
Through sightandsound, we have a reply from F s saying that it is a
known issue under xp and vista.
here's the punch line, though, it is scheduled to be fixed under jaws
13.
I've got an sma for this so may be okay if it is fixed, but, what about
those who haven't.
Surely, this is not good enough.
anybody affected should raise this.
tom
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