[isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
- From: Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:11:34 -0700
You really think we can't tell?
C'mon - give us a tad more credit than that...
-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:31 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
Who says you have to tell them it's a guest?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:00 AM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> Actually, "not supported" means exactly that - not supported.
> Right now, if you call CSS with ISA deployed as an edge-facing guest,
> they'll politely turn you away until you change that state.
> Until and unless we can produce prescriptive guidance (just ask Tom
how
> thin my writing has become since I joined the ISA team), we can't
> support the scenario; and even then, we'll only support what we
define.
>
> It's not as "simple" as dropping Exchange or SharePoint as a guest;
> they're not responsible for ensuring the security of the network
> traffic.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> Absolutely.
>
> And remember...not supported doesn't mean it doesn't work. It also
> doesn't mean it's not supported either.....
>
> Betcha if you had Jimbo on the other end of the CSS phone call, he'd
> help if he wasn't busy.....
>
> Anyway..if it's a vm and it worked when you first set it up, you'd
have
> a backup that you could rely on anyway...wouldn't you???
>
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:40 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> Yes; disappointment in the blog posting by an otherwise respected
> person.
>
> Actually, I do like virtualization (ask Steve about my latest toy).
> I'd really love it if we could have a policy that didn't have to
> consider the "but I wanna!!!!" 1d10t'5 that will try to blame ISA for
> what it can't control. Remember the IPv6 fiasco of last year? That
> was
> started by an MVP, no less... Imagine what "Joe IsaAdmin" will try to
> do (seen the NG postings lately?).
>
> I'm trying to work out something a bit better than what we currently
> have, but what (nearly) everyone forgets is that any ISA support
> statement has to be balanced on the needle-point of "support". Our
CSS
> folks have to be able to recognize fact from bullshrimp and we all
know
> that "customers never lie; they merely misrepresent certain facts"...
> MS counts support costs in minutes and every minute that the CSS folks
> waste sorting out the ISA deployment into "supported & unsupported"
> wastes time for the customer and MS both.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:19 AM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> Jim,
>
> Is that disappointment I see in the subject line?
>
> Don't you know? Virtualization is the solution to all things. It's
> backup. It's totally secure. It's business continuity. And it's cheap!
> What could possibility be better?
>
> Yes, that's sarcasm.
>
>
> P.S. Oh yeah Tom. Shiver me timbers, talk like a pirate day was like
so
> last Wednesday, arg.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> And they'll blame Microsoft when they implement abysmal security
> practices because they want to get security "on the cheep"
>
> ARG.
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:34 AM
> > To: isapros-repost@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isapros] ..and the noise increases...
> >
> > http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/97153/97153.html
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