[isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:17:48 -0700
I see his question - and it is a good topic of conversation... So let's
assume that the admin would treat the VM environment the same as she
would with separate, physical machines and patch them. All the same
due-diligence.
t
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:41 AM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> The underlying OS is too vulnerable. You know what's going to happen.
> Admins will forget to patch the OS that the virtual machine sits on
and
> all hell will break loose.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:09 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> OK...
>
> FUD aside. Why shouldn't ISA be utilized on a VM for production use?
>
> Leave out the workstation VM apps. Keep it to ESX & Virtual Server...
>
> S
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> Absolutely.
>
> And remember...not supported doesn't mean it doesn't work. It also
> doesn't mean it's not supported either.....
>
> Betcha if you had Jimbo on the other end of the CSS phone call, he'd
> help if he wasn't busy.....
>
> Anyway..if it's a vm and it worked when you first set it up, you'd
have
> a backup that you could rely on anyway...wouldn't you???
>
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:40 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> Yes; disappointment in the blog posting by an otherwise respected
> person.
>
> Actually, I do like virtualization (ask Steve about my latest toy).
> I'd really love it if we could have a policy that didn't have to
> consider the "but I wanna!!!!" 1d10t'5 that will try to blame ISA for
> what it can't control. Remember the IPv6 fiasco of last year? That
> was
> started by an MVP, no less... Imagine what "Joe IsaAdmin" will try to
> do (seen the NG postings lately?).
>
> I'm trying to work out something a bit better than what we currently
> have, but what (nearly) everyone forgets is that any ISA support
> statement has to be balanced on the needle-point of "support". Our
CSS
> folks have to be able to recognize fact from bullshrimp and we all
know
> that "customers never lie; they merely misrepresent certain facts"...
> MS counts support costs in minutes and every minute that the CSS folks
> waste sorting out the ISA deployment into "supported & unsupported"
> wastes time for the customer and MS both.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:19 AM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> Jim,
>
> Is that disappointment I see in the subject line?
>
> Don't you know? Virtualization is the solution to all things. It's
> backup. It's totally secure. It's business continuity. And it's cheap!
> What could possibility be better?
>
> Yes, that's sarcasm.
>
>
> P.S. Oh yeah Tom. Shiver me timbers, talk like a pirate day was like
so
> last Wednesday, arg.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> And they'll blame Microsoft when they implement abysmal security
> practices because they want to get security "on the cheep"
>
> ARG.
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
>
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:34 AM
> > To: isapros-repost@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isapros] ..and the noise increases...
> >
> > http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/97153/97153.html
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