[isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
- From: Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:59:49 -0700
Actually, "not supported" means exactly that - not supported.
Right now, if you call CSS with ISA deployed as an edge-facing guest, they'll
politely turn you away until you change that state.
Until and unless we can produce prescriptive guidance (just ask Tom how thin my
writing has become since I joined the ISA team), we can't support the scenario;
and even then, we'll only support what we define.
It's not as "simple" as dropping Exchange or SharePoint as a guest; they're not
responsible for ensuring the security of the network traffic.
-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Moffat
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:45 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
Absolutely.
And remember...not supported doesn't mean it doesn't work. It also
doesn't mean it's not supported either.....
Betcha if you had Jimbo on the other end of the CSS phone call, he'd
help if he wasn't busy.....
Anyway..if it's a vm and it worked when you first set it up, you'd have
a backup that you could rely on anyway...wouldn't you???
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:40 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
Yes; disappointment in the blog posting by an otherwise respected
person.
Actually, I do like virtualization (ask Steve about my latest toy).
I'd really love it if we could have a policy that didn't have to
consider the "but I wanna!!!!" 1d10t'5 that will try to blame ISA for
what it can't control. Remember the IPv6 fiasco of last year? That was
started by an MVP, no less... Imagine what "Joe IsaAdmin" will try to
do (seen the NG postings lately?).
I'm trying to work out something a bit better than what we currently
have, but what (nearly) everyone forgets is that any ISA support
statement has to be balanced on the needle-point of "support". Our CSS
folks have to be able to recognize fact from bullshrimp and we all know
that "customers never lie; they merely misrepresent certain facts"...
MS counts support costs in minutes and every minute that the CSS folks
waste sorting out the ISA deployment into "supported & unsupported"
wastes time for the customer and MS both.
-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:19 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
Jim,
Is that disappointment I see in the subject line?
Don't you know? Virtualization is the solution to all things. It's
backup. It's totally secure. It's business continuity. And it's cheap!
What could possibility be better?
Yes, that's sarcasm.
P.S. Oh yeah Tom. Shiver me timbers, talk like a pirate day was like so
last Wednesday, arg.
-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:56 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
And they'll blame Microsoft when they implement abysmal security
practices because they want to get security "on the cheep"
ARG.
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
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