[isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:22:20 -0700
Not to start something none of us can finish, but where are you seeing
anyone declaring virtualization to be a security solution? It's a
deployment solution, just like Windows and Linux are "deployment"
solutions. Just another operating system that's, well, operating
systems. Security lives above and below any deployment solution where's
it always been -- before everyone goes nuts regarding what Microsoft
will or won't support, let's make sure we're all talking about the same
thing.
And regarding what MSFT does and doesn't support, it has far less to do
with the products than it does the people they are hiring to support
those products.
t
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:10 AM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
>
> I don't think the problem is that virtualization isn't good. Heck,
I've
> been using Vmware since it's pre 1.0 days.
>
> The problem is that people think it's a miracle cure all for all the
> problems they've had (which is amazing, because even when I first
> starting using VMs, I never considered it anything other than a useful
> test tool and server consolidation solution). But somehow people think
> it's a "security solution" which it truly ain't, except for some very
> specific scenarios, such as offshoring a network and PC
infrastructure.
> When it comes to security, it just adds to the attack surface, so keep
> your network and infrastructure security devices that are meant to
> protect the virtualized infrastructure *off* VMs.
>
> IMHO,
> GMT
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:45 PM
> > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
> > And remember...not supported doesn't mean it doesn't work. It also
> > doesn't mean it's not supported either.....
> >
> > Betcha if you had Jimbo on the other end of the CSS phone call, he'd
> > help if he wasn't busy.....
> >
> > Anyway..if it's a vm and it worked when you first set it up,
> > you'd have
> > a backup that you could rely on anyway...wouldn't you???
> >
> > :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:40 PM
> > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
> >
> > Yes; disappointment in the blog posting by an otherwise respected
> > person.
> >
> > Actually, I do like virtualization (ask Steve about my latest toy).
> > I'd really love it if we could have a policy that didn't have to
> > consider the "but I wanna!!!!" 1d10t'5 that will try to blame ISA
for
> > what it can't control. Remember the IPv6 fiasco of last
> > year? That was
> > started by an MVP, no less... Imagine what "Joe IsaAdmin" will try
> to
> > do (seen the NG postings lately?).
> >
> > I'm trying to work out something a bit better than what we currently
> > have, but what (nearly) everyone forgets is that any ISA support
> > statement has to be balanced on the needle-point of
> > "support". Our CSS
> > folks have to be able to recognize fact from bullshrimp and
> > we all know
> > that "customers never lie; they merely misrepresent certain
facts"...
> > MS counts support costs in minutes and every minute that the CSS
> folks
> > waste sorting out the ISA deployment into "supported & unsupported"
> > wastes time for the customer and MS both.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:19 AM
> > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Is that disappointment I see in the subject line?
> >
> > Don't you know? Virtualization is the solution to all things. It's
> > backup. It's totally secure. It's business continuity. And it's
> cheap!
> > What could possibility be better?
> >
> > Yes, that's sarcasm.
> >
> >
> > P.S. Oh yeah Tom. Shiver me timbers, talk like a pirate day
> > was like so
> > last Wednesday, arg.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:56 PM
> > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isapros] Re: ..and the noise increases...
> >
> > And they'll blame Microsoft when they implement abysmal security
> > practices because they want to get security "on the cheep"
> >
> > ARG.
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:34 AM
> > > To: isapros-repost@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isapros] ..and the noise increases...
> > >
> > > http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/97153/97153.html
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