[isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
- From: "Greg Mulholland" <gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:19:40 +1000
Personally I tried to give the upgrade path a shot, against my better
judgement, when vista business rtm'd. Man I wish I hadn't, the driver
support was pathetic and it is nearing the colloquial "bukect o' tish". Even
with all the turn off the crap that makes it run slow tweaks for the OS and
office etc, I'm nearly reaching rebuild stage.
I'll never do it again!
Greg
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gerald G. Young
Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2007 1:43 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
It's been my experience that I can disable any feature in Ultimate that I
find I don't need and/or has a large impact on the performance of my system.
That being said, the recommended system requirements for Business and
Ultimate are the same
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/systemrequi
rements.mspx?wt_svl=10042VHa1&mg_id=10042VHb1). If the system can run fine
with Business, it should run fine with Ultimate.
I approach it from a standpoint of having the features there that I think I
*might* want now, rather than waiting for later. When Windows XP came out,
I got burned with Windows XP Home because it couldn't be added to a domain
and a lot of security features weren't available (e.g., NTFS File
Permissions weren't exposed), not to mention a lot of the command-line tools
I use weren't available.
With regards to performance, though, the single biggest hit I took with
Windows XP was when I had User Switching enabled (the ability to switch
between users without logging off). Once I disabled that - since I didn't
use it and didn't like the security ramifications of it - I noticed a
significant improvement in performance. I think Ultimate has this enabled
by default but I haven't gotten around to disabling it if it is. I am not
sure if Business would enable this feature by default.
Ultimately, Vista is still too new to the consumer base - and most corporate
bases, too - to have any real practical insight into performance issues with
personal use; most people who use it now probably have higher end systems
and so don't notice much. This is the primary reason I took the plunge; I
wanted hands-on experience with the product. So far, I like what I've seen
and Aero just rocks, providing you have a powerful enough video card,
although I wish Microsoft would have taken the hint and finally added
virtual desktops to their OS along the lines of how it works on the
Enlightenment desktop GUI for *nix platforms.
Cordially yours,
Jerry G. Young II
Application Engineer, Platform Engineering and Architecture
NTT America, an NTT Communications Company
22451 Shaw Rd.
Sterling, VA 20166
Office: 571-434-1319
Fax: 703-333-6749
Email: g.young@xxxxxxxx
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:08 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
No performance problems for ultimate? I've got ultimate on my business unit
here, and am about to load it on my HP Digital Media Center (the nice rack
system), but am concerned with performance on the Origami. I'm happy to put
ultimate on it, but just don't want to screw myself on performance. That
being said, it would be nice to be able to play my recorded stuff from the
HP on the Origami directly (without having to burn to DVD).
No big performance difference between Biz and Ultimate?
thx (and apologies to those bothered by the OT)
t
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald G. <mailto:g.young@xxxxxxxx> Young
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: [isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
If it was me, I'd load Ultimate, which is what I did on my home system. :-)
You aren't going to be able to use Home Basic, though, since that version
doesn't support Tablet PCs. Business is probably better for you than Home
Premium, too, because of the support tools you have access to in Business,
not to mention only Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate versions can be added
to a domain.
For a high level overview of the differences in version, check out the
following link:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx?
wt_svl=10033VHa2
<http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx
?wt_svl=10033VHa2&mg_id=10033VHb2> &mg_id=10033VHb2
Cordially yours,
Jerry G. Young II
Application Engineer, Platform Engineering and Architecture
NTT America, an NTT Communications Company
22451 Shaw Rd.
Sterling, VA 20166
Office: 571-434-1319
Fax: 703-333-6749
Email: g.young@xxxxxxxx
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:22 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
I'll give that a shot... I was going to have to reload the original in the
first place, so I might as well do my due diligence and see what happens.
Last Q then- what edition would you load? Home Basic? It's the Origami-
the business edition index is 1 at the moment - any insight on performance
differences between Home Basic and Business, or just price?
t
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald G. <mailto:g.young@xxxxxxxx> Young
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:59 AM
Subject: [isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
Well.
If nothing else, you can always attempt a clean install. I agree with Jim
about in-place upgrades and never do them because I don't want to bring over
all the legacy stuff that has only ever seemed to make a mess of the new OS
once it was installed.
There is a bit of a gotcha with Vista, though. If you purchased an
"Upgrade" package and perform a clean install (setup needs to be run
keyless), when you activate the OS and enter the Upgrade product key, you
get a message stating that the software you purchased can only be used to
perform an in-place upgrade, even though the package and documentation
inside the package indicate otherwise.
I had to call PSS to get around that.
But, it may be that natively (meaning clean install) Vista does a better job
with the hardware than it does when you slap it down on top of another OS.
Would be worth testing, at least, providing you have the time. ;)
Cordially yours,
Jerry G. Young II
Application Engineer, Platform Engineering and Architecture
NTT America, an NTT Communications Company
22451 Shaw Rd.
Sterling, VA 20166
Office: 571-434-1319
Fax: 703-333-6749
Email: g.young@xxxxxxxx
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:32 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
I did an upgrade, which is the "recommended" procedure, particularly for
software dependant functionality requirements... In device manager,
everything shows as working, however, nothing "works." The touch screen is
completely disabled, yet it shows up fine in device manager. The upgrade
advisor runs automatically-- the first thing it did was say that I had to
uninstall Norton AV (which came with the system). After doing that and
restarting (a lengthy process, actually) the advisor came up with "there may
be issues, but nothing that will keep you from upgrading."
However, I've found some cached docs in Google on MSFT that talk about
setting up the input devices and such (after touting how much easier and
more enabled tablet PC's are after installing Vista).
It was smart enough to tell me that I couldn't upgrade from XP Tablet to
Home Basic, so you would think that it would know if there were issues with
going to Business with Tablet.
But I'll see if there is anything I can do in Control Panel to get the touch
screen working- but I have to attach an external keyboard/mouse to do that
(fortunately I've got one with my Origami).
Thanks for the help- I'll see if what pans out.
t
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald G. <mailto:g.young@xxxxxxxx> Young
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:23 AM
Subject: [isapros] Re: OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
T,
Did you perform a clean install or did you perform an in-place upgrade?
If you open up Device Manager, are there any devices that appear either as
disabled, driver unknown, or not working?
Did you check help to see if you needed to "enable" the tablet features?
Did you run the Upgrade Advisor against the system to see if it detected any
issues, potential or otherwise?
Just a few questions that came to mind.
Jerry
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:19 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] OT: Upgrading Tablets to Vista
Anyone had any luck upgrading XP Tablet system to Vista? I've got the
Samsung NP-Q1 which was running XP Tablet 2005. I actually gave several to
my girlfriend because I wanted to be the only guy to give her multiple
Origami's. yuk yuk. Anyway, after upgrading to Vista Business (you can't
upgrade to home) it worked, but none of the table functions work at all. I
thought Vista was supposed to handle all that for me, but it just left me
with a useless tablet in my hands.
Any insight would be great. No, there is nothing for Vista on the Samsung
site. Thx
t
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