No! The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the butthole(s) who wrote the CodeRed virus. Admins who didn't patch properly to protect against the criminal actions of the virus writers were irresponsible, but they weren't the root cause of the problem. -----Original Message----- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:07 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Linux vs ms article http://www.ISAserver.org Yes, some people are pathetically narrow minded. Example, he is blaming MS for CodeRed. HELLO! The patch that blocked code read was available 9 months before it came out. What does that mean, the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of those admins responsible for those servers. No one else. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You