My Dad once called the police because someone was out in the barn doing damage. The police said that they would not be there for about 1/2 hour. My Dad went around and locked all the doors to the barn so that they could not get out, then called the police again and said. There is no need for you to come now. I've locked them in my barn and shot all of them. The police were there in 4 minutes. So if that murderer comes into my house he will meet my brother's Smith and Wesson. Joseph -----Original Message----- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:53 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Linux vs ms article http://www.ISAserver.org Calm down Bill. This discussion is how it pertains to the OS and software in the way of bugs and security. If a murderer is on the loose in my neighborhood, it is the responsibility of the police to get the word out and find him. They notify me about it and tell me to close and lock my doors at 10:00 AM. I go to bed at 8:00 PM and leave the back door unlocked. He comes in and murders me. It is my fault because I knew the door should have been locked, and I did not lock it. OF COURSE, the root cause of my death is the murderer. (Like duh.) But I have to accept responsibility because I did not follow instructions, and not blame the police. That is what the discussion is about, whether or not to blame the police. RANT ON: No, I won't go there. Yet... RANT OFF: John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Kuhn - MCSE [mailto:bkuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:27 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Linux vs ms article > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > No! > > The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the butthole(s) who wrote > the CodeRed virus. > > Admins who didn't patch properly to protect against the criminal > actions of the virus writers were irresponsible, but they weren't the > root cause of the problem. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:07 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Linux vs ms article > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Yes, some people are pathetically narrow minded. > > Example, he is blaming MS for CodeRed. HELLO! The patch that blocked > code read was available 9 months before it came out. What does that > mean, the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of those admins > responsible for those > servers. No one else. > > John Tolmachoff > Engineer/Consultant/Owner > eServices For You > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist > ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp > ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ > ------------------------------------------------------ > Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: > Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 > Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows > Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network > Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax > Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: > johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to > $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: cismic@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')