Yep - here it could be anything from an assortment from Smith and Wesson, Colt, Browning, Springfield Armory, JC Higgins, and on and on. I absolutely believe that you are your last line of defense and that your life is worth more than the bad guys life. Actually I lean toward the pre-politically correct version of morality that says my life, health, rights, and property are worth more than the bad guy's life, health, rights or property. I wouldn't hesitate to drop an intruder on my property if I was under the impression he intended to do harm. Back to my original post - I believe there is a line between right and wrong (obviously a belief that predates the hand-wringing self-deprecating politically correct mentality). The people who commit the crimes are wrong. All others are victims or potential victims. That doesn't mean that victims and potential victims should not defend themselves - quite the opposite (see first paragraph). It just puts blame on the bad guys. -----Original Message----- From: cismic [mailto:cismic@xxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:48 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Linux vs ms article http://www.ISAserver.org My Dad once called the police because someone was out in the barn doing damage. The police said that they would not be there for about 1/2 hour. My Dad went around and locked all the doors to the barn so that they could not get out, then called the police again and said. There is no need for you to come now. I've locked them in my barn and shot all of them. The police were there in 4 minutes. So if that murderer comes into my house he will meet my brother's Smith and Wesson. Joseph