Good Morning and Happy New Year to you and your family Tom - Thank U for responding to my inquiry regarding the use of RRAS with ISA 2004. I guess I must be the exception, because of dollar constraints I was forced to build my ISA 2000 server on a old Dell PowerEdge 2300 with dual PII 400 processors and 512 Meg of RAM, I had to also use this box for my RRAS VPN gateway to gateway to connect all my branch offices. I was very pleased with the performance of ISA and the ease of configuring, it was RRAS that killed the project, it simply was not reliable, I would come in each morning not knowing if any of my links were up or down, I had to constantly monitor it and when it did break, it seemed so temperamental when I initiated a reconnect, I had to many times down grade my L2TP to PPTP just to get to connect and even then it was not a given that it would. Like I mentioned earlier, I ran several traces to make sure the correct information was being passed during the tunnel setup, all seemed correct, but to wait many minutes in most cases up to 5 minutes or more until all end to end negotiations are complete seems a bit unreasonable, especially when the VPN link is so critical to daily business operations, I was forced to abandon RRAS. So I was hoping ISA 2004 would employ a different VPN architecture, something different from a Dialup Persistent approach. I will wait to see if I can get my hands on a beta copy in the next month or 2, if you have any suggestions on how I could get a beta copy please pass this along. Thank you to everyone in the discussion group and have a very happy and safe new year Glenn