Hi Glenn, Not sure about the reliability. 99.99% of the reliability issues I've seen with VPN are layer 1 or layer 8 problems. The exception being PPTP, which apparently has a doc'd problem for some configs. No problems at all with L2TP/IPSec. HTH, Tom _____ From: Glenn Maks [mailto:gmaks@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:02 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org I asked this question based on my experience with RRAS as my VPN tunnel connection for all my branch offices, both with PPTP and L2TP tunnels. I noticed the extreme amounts of time that it takes for the tunnel end points to connect, and sometimes not at all, not to mention if you don't start the services in a particular order then RRAS simply will not reestablish connection. I was wondering if anyone else experienced this same behavior? Yes, I have spoken to Microsoft regarding this, and Yes I did as part of the process do a Network Trace, nothing seemed out of place, yet, I could never really depend on RRAS for giving me a stable persistent tunnel connection. I thought about using a black box VPN solution in conjunction with ISA, but dollars drove the project, in the end I had to roll back to my original security platform. Thank U for the update G. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:25 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org Ahh now i see. Thanks for clearing that up John :) Guess we will have to wait and see. Tom i'd be interested to know if Network Engines have any plans to make a gadget that includes isa 2k4 when it arrives, that may be the only thing why some people would hold off from buying the 2000 version due end of Jan. Greg Mulholland http://www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> http://www.isaserver.mine.nu <http://www.isaserver.mine.nu/> http://groups.google.com <http://groups.google.com/> _____ From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:13 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org I think he meant maybe depends. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:04 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org As Jim says how the hell else would they do it given that it works so well in its current form. Is that a DEFINITE "depend" Tom?? Greg Mulholland http://www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> http://www.isaserver.mine.nu <http://www.isaserver.mine.nu/> http://groups.google.com <http://groups.google.com/> _____ From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2003 11:57 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Glenn, Can't say, NDA and all. However, I can give you a definitive "it depends" :) HTH, Tom _____ From: Glenn Maks [mailto:gmaks@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 3:37 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org I have looked for details about the next release of ISA, specifically, if ISA will still rely on RRAS for it's underlying VPN support, or will ISA 2004 use other means. 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