Hi Greg, Can't say for sure re: NetEngines. I have a feeling that there are going to be a LOT of ISA2004 appliance vendors. There should have been a lot of ISA2000 OEMs, but stuff happens and the iniitative didn't get started quickly enough. I don't think the same mistake will be made with ISA2004 -- its going to be a real killer firewall and will accelerate the retirement of many simple packet filtering firewalls. Thanks! Tom _____ From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:25 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org Ahh now i see. Thanks for clearing that up John :) Guess we will have to wait and see. Tom i'd be interested to know if Network Engines have any plans to make a gadget that includes isa 2k4 when it arrives, that may be the only thing why some people would hold off from buying the 2000 version due end of Jan. Greg Mulholland http://www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> http://www.isaserver.mine.nu <http://www.isaserver.mine.nu/> http://groups.google.com <http://groups.google.com/> _____ From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:13 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org I think he meant maybe depends. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:04 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org As Jim says how the hell else would they do it given that it works so well in its current form. Is that a DEFINITE "depend" Tom?? Greg Mulholland http://www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> http://www.isaserver.mine.nu <http://www.isaserver.mine.nu/> http://groups.google.com <http://groups.google.com/> _____ From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2003 11:57 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Glenn, Can't say, NDA and all. However, I can give you a definitive "it depends" :) HTH, Tom _____ From: Glenn Maks [mailto:gmaks@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 3:37 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Code Name Stingray - ISA 2004 http://www.ISAserver.org I have looked for details about the next release of ISA, specifically, if ISA will still rely on RRAS for it's underlying VPN support, or will ISA 2004 use other means. 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