Messagesorry Nicky I thought I had answered, yes I am handicapped by the fact that society chooses not to make all possible provision for blind people, of which I am one. Ed -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kealy, Nicky Sent: 10 July 2006 14:22 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Darragh, have you a physical disability? A visual impairment is considered a sensory disability but thank you for that explanation. My question to you as I have been asking and you or Edd or Sabrina won't answer it is are you handicapped and would you allow someone to call you handicapped? It is a distasteful word that in this day and age there is no excuse for using so get rid of it. Have we no response from NCBI? I am waiting to get the opportunity to talk to the guy that runs the shops to see what he will say to me. If anyone else would like to talk to him that feels the same as me and I am glad that I have received private responses from people to indicate that people do agree with me you should just take the time to call the office and ask for Mr. Martin Kenny. -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed Harper Sent: 10 July 2006 14:04 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Thanks Darra for this message and the previous, with which I find myself in complete agreement. If prejudice and stereotyping are to be allowed to get too much into one's feelings it can act as an impairment to calm thinking and successful action too. Try being English, and a goat farmer. There is a very good song which includes the line: Your hair maybe black or your hair maybe white, there'll always be somebody shocked at the sight. Ed -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Darragh.OHeiligh@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: 10 July 2006 13:31 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Well, after reading a bit about this word it seems that on its own the word handicapped can encompass both physical and mental disabilities. So, to answer your question, yes. Visually impaired are physically handicapped. But, you haven't addressed the points that I made in my previous message: Do you really care if a very small minority in society do not know the difference between a physical and a mental disability? Definitions and other sources of information: Handicapped is an adjective used to refer to a person or animal who is partially disabled or unable to use a limb or limbs. The use of this term is sometimes considered offensive, though it is preferable to the derogatory term "cripple" or "retard", which is an insult most disabled people find thrown at them at some point in their lives. Refers to the degree of functional limitation resulting from impairment. The existence of a handicap depends on the extent to which impairment impedes a person's function. A person who has a congenital or acquired mental or physical defect that interferes with normal functioning of the body, or the ability to be self sufficient in modern society. A person having a physical or mental impairment, expected to be of long or indefinite duration, that substantially limits one (1) or more of such person's major life activities so that person is unable to live independently, or a record of having such impairment or being regarded as having such impairment. http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0090/S.0090.197811080008.htm l http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0313/D.0313.197903290008.htm l Darragh Ó Héiligh - Technical lead Stream EMEA Direct Dial: +353 14400793 Ext: 2293 Stream Practice 8 - "Be responsible for enhancing job knowledge. Pursue professional growth and foster a learning environment". "Kealy, Nicky" <Nicky.Kealy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/07/2006 01:15 PM Please respond to irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To <irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices I am sorry but I haven't attacked anyone. I have expressed annoyance of what was written and I am entitled to do that so don't take this too far as regards that kind of thing. Its a word that doesn't have to be used and people are using it in my name and in your name as we are blind and the charity shops in question are run by the national council for the blind who are the charity or agency that represent blind people so the views of blind people need to be taken into account here. Now, are you going to answer my question? Are you handicapped? Itas a simple yes or no question. -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darragh.OHeiligh@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: 10 July 2006 13:11 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Nicky, I think the point Sabrina was making is that it really doesn't matter at the end of the day. Its only one word. Do you really think peoples perceptions will change over such a minor detail? I suppose it comes down to two things. 1. What do the majority of people associate with the word handicapped? Would you concede that the meaning you take from that word may be different to that held by people who can see because you feel that used in the wrong context it could directly impact you? And 2. Does it really matter what the perceptions of others are just because we can?t see? If someone is going to associate a particular perception with a blind Person just because they happen to be blind without taking the time to get to know them then their so narrow minded that using handicapped or not using it Makes absolutely no difference. Basically, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point that handicapped is an inaccurate word to use in the context of visually impaired. What I think I'm saying is that it doesn't particularly bother me what word they use. It is, after all only one word. In certain mediums it can be more destructive than others but it doesn't warrant such an outcry of outrage as you've demonstrated in your previous messages. It furthermore doesn't in any way necessitate the attack on another list member. I admire your determination to right this alleged wrong but remember who your fighting against. Darragh Ó Héiligh - Technical lead Stream EMEA Direct Dial: +353 14400793 Ext: 2293 Stream Practice 8 - "Be responsible for enhancing job knowledge. Pursue professional growth and foster a learning environment". "Kealy, Nicky" <Nicky.Kealy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/07/2006 12:47 PM Please respond to irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To <irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Are you actually serious? Is this really just one big joke to you? You have been called worse? Is that acceptable then? Life is too short you say? Well, if you are going to have that attitude then good luck to you. I personally don't want to be called anything except by ;my proper name and I don't want a lable cause I have a visual problem or cause I am just blind and I don't have a problem with the word blind. God, think of what you write and how mature or immature it sounds. So many people are striving to have people treated in a correct manner and promote proper equality for all and then we see messages and comments like this? Please, you have a right to an opinion and I am all for that but think about what you are saying and how much sense you are making. Sorry now if that is a bit harsh but I make no appolagies for it. -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sabrina McKiernan Sent: 10 July 2006 12:20 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices doesn't worry me either! sure I've been called worse! ahahaha.. ah life's to short! have fun, Sabrina -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ed Harper Sent: 10 July 2006 10:14 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Hi nicky, As I said earlier I would hate to stop anyone campaigning for anything they believed in, and I don't mind not being called handicapped, but I must admit it doesn't particularly worry me. On the otherhand if we are talking about an ideal world and if I had the time, I would campaign to remove services for those people needing them, which when you think about it includes all the "disabled" the old the pregnant the young the sick etc etc etc, from the realm of any kind of charities at all. In my ideal world we would have more control over the political/economic functions of society and everyone would be in a position to rely on society to provide, as of right, the assistance they need from time to time, or all the time. It is a historical quirk that the "blind" have been the object of charity in many countries, probably because we were relatively obvious and at one time greatly feared. Good luck with the campaign. Ed -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kealy, Nicky Sent: 10 July 2006 09:52 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Good morning people, I am glad to see that I have generated a nice discussion on this subject although its worrying to me that one or two of you will be willing to accept this in my view very negative word to be used in adds which are being used to collect money for a charity representing visually impaired people. I am going to be harsh here but please don't right such rubbish telling me that they can right what they want cause it's a charity. They can not. They are doing all of this to raise money for to provide services for blind people and indeed vision impaired people also. The public will be picking up messages from these adds so you do have to be careful as to how you put them out. Can I ask any of you people that think the word handicapped is acceptable in some forms are you handicapped? Can you honestly tell me that you would like someone referring to you as being handicapped? Is you wouldn't then don't tell me that it is acceptable for this leaflet to remain in circulation. I am not finished on this matter yet and am still campaigning for its removal. Regards, Nicky. -----Original Message----- >From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin_osullivan@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 07 July 2006 11:20 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Hi I think that we have to move away from the charity model, and then these kinds of words will become less relevant. >----Original Message---- >From: sabmckiernan@xxxxxxxxxx >Date: Jul 7, 2006 11:01 >To: <irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Subj: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices > >Hi, > >I am sure you all know this but, >It is a charity, so by them using the word Handicapped it is, keeping up the >message of cap in hand. it is keeping up the charity model. after all, Mrs. >quinns shops are charity shops for the national council for the blind. > >you would use Disability rather than Handicapped? >well we are not disabled because we are blind! >you see, handicapped doesn't say to me slow, retarded or anything like that! >Handicapped totally is using the charity model in my view. also, I know in >the states you still see the term visually handicapped used. > >well just my opinion. > >Sabrina >-----Original Message----- >From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Maria >Sent: 06 July 2006 19:06 >To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices > > > In my opinion disability sounds better than a handicap, but that's once >again my personal opinion. > >The alternative terms to a term handicap in our case might be words such as >blindness or vision impairment. 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