[PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

  • From: Dave Seymour <dave.seymour@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:38:16 -0500

This is just my 2 cents.

Often the folks who are looking at a design do not know how to
run Allegro or  have don't any desire to know how to run Allegro.

The remote display, with the layout designer driving the display, can
often get the engineer to the important parts of the design quicker than
having the engineer view the design alone.

The free viewer does not have all the features of a full blown Allegro seat.
Which can be a value add for the engineer.

I have also found that engineer may not understand what they are looking
at on the display without the designer helping to explain.

This method has worked well in the past and I'm sticking with it. The couple of
hours spent reviewing a design with an engineer is well worth it. The process can add
value to the PCB designer from the viewpoint of the engineer, who now knows that the
designer is on the same team and working hard to make the design successful.

I've used this method  in a slave/master configuration on a solaris machine for many years now.

Dave




richard moffat wrote:
"I think a product of this caliber should do better in this regard."
 
That's my thought exactly.  And, yes - reviewing can take hours, if not days.


>>> On 18/01/2008 at 5:26 a.m., in message <DGEKLJKGMMFGJHMCGHCAMENGIOAA.allegrolist@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Austin Franklin" <allegrolist@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Jean,
 
Yep, sounds like a viable solution.
 
I'd prefer to see Allegro enhanced with better security though...I think a product of this caliber should do better in this regard.
 
Regards,
 
Austin
-----Original Message-----
From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jean Bratton
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:57 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

We ust GoToMeeting. You can let the other part only view the Allegro session, not  your whole desktop. The viewer does not have a save option, so I believe this should be safe.

 

From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Austin Franklin
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:51 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

 

Hi Gary,

 

If they have control of the screen/mouse etc. couldn't they save the design file off somewhere?   Reviewing a complex PCB is many hours...and I doubt someone is going to sit there and watch someone do that for hours...

 

If the control is application specific, and not control of the desktop, and the program (Allegro Viewer?) doesn't have a save capability (does it?  I don't remember), that could work.

 

Regards,

 

Austin

-----Original Message-----
From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Macindoe, Gary
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:39 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

Peter,

 

This sounds like your best solution. We’ve used NetMeeting in this regard. You fire up the board, then allow the other person to have control of the mouse.

He can check out anything in the design he wants, and you can see exactly what he’s doing. He doesn’t have the database, you do.

 

Good luck,

Gary

 

 

Gary E. MacIndoe
PCB Design Engineer
Fort Collins, Colorado

amd.com

gary.macindoe@xxxxxxx


From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Wages
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:36 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

 

You could always use one of those “Go to my PC” type viewers. This allows you someone at a remote location to view your PC screen and move your mouse. This would allow them to query items, measure, and view constraints, without providing them the actual database. Caveat being you have to be online with them while they review the layout.

Good luck.

 


From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Austin Franklin
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:15 PM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

 

Hi Peter,

 

But...if he can access the file (as he would have to do if viewing it remotely) then he can copy it.  Right?

 

I think your only choice is really printouts or PDF of each layer etc.  Or, OBD...why not just output an ODB++ file for him to review?

 

Regards,

 

Austin

 

-----Original Message-----
From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Pietrangelo
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:14 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

He can then use the database and build it somewhere else. I am trying to protect IP. They have Allegro. Hard to explain on here, but I need to keep the data in our hands.

 


From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Meier
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:40 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing

 

Peter,

 

So if your customer is only going to be using the viewer? send him the .brd file. He can’t change anything with the viewer anyway, it’s only a copy you still have master data? I don’t see the problem or need for remote access?

 

Regards,

Gerry

 

 

Gerry Meier, Sr. PCB Designer

Freedom CAD Services. Inc

Voice: (256)776-7470 or (603) 864-1350

Email:gerry.meier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

visit us at http://www.freedomcad.com

 

 


From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Pietrangelo
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:24 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Remote Allegro file viewing

 

 

I need to be able to have a customer look at a BRD file without having possession of the file itself. As at least some of you know the password protection in Allegro is useless. My customer wants more than PDF files and I need to protect the data. I want the customer to be able to remotely access the file and be able to at least use the commands of the free viewer. Does anyone already have a solution or any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Peter


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