Better yet have the Tool meet the physical DCR settings, Regarding the new Dynamic shapes, I have had several times DRC show up around VIA Voids, when I query the DRC, it is usually something like DRC space 4.999 and the DRC value is 5.000 Then I must select the Dynamic shape and increase the DRC clearance by adding an oversize value of .1 I believe the tool should comply with the DCR settings by Default, instead of having the Designer Tweak each DRC violation the Tool generates. The items you mentioned below are welcome by Designers and are good examples For DRC exemptions. Inkra Networks Patrick Jabbaz CID Sr Board Layout Eng. 40971 Encyclopedia Circle Fremont, CA 94538 Work (510) 249-4835 Mobile (408) 621-6533 patrick@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Ed Hickey [mailto:ehickey@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:51 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: ICU2004 - PCB Top 5 Issue's There will be a method to suppress certain DRCs in 15.2 by applying properties to the objects. DRC Suppression in 15.2 (June 28, 2004) 3 new properties are available to suppress typical 'false' type DRCs. In 15.0, the property NODRC_SYM_SAME_PIN was introduced that suppresses pin to pin spacing errors within the same component. Use of some of these properties may alleviate the requirement for constraint areas or time spent reviewing each instance of error. * NODRC_COMPONENT_BOARD_OVERLAP - apply directly to component placebound shape when components overlap the package keepin area. Typically these components tend to be mechanically constrained like connectors, switches and LEDs. * NODRC_ETCH_OUTSIDE_KEEPIN - apply directly to etch elements outside the route keepin area. * NODRC_VIAS_OUTSIDE_KEEPIN - apply directly to vias placed outside the route keepin area. These vias tend to be GND stitching vias in large quantities. The use of temp groups is recommended when suppressing a large quantity of vias. -----Original Message----- From: Musetti, Carl [mailto:cmusetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:00 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: ICU2004 - PCB Top 5 Issue's I completely agree with you Jerry Allegro DRC system is one of the strongest features of the tool and to have it made so that errors are acceptable is unacceptable! -----Original Message----- From: Schwartz, Jerome [mailto:jschwa01@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:48 AM To: 'icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: ICU2004 - PCB Top 5 Issue's For all of you that have been doing real design work for 25 years or more please, please, please, do not let something like this pass through to Cadence. An error is an error. There is no such thing as a false DRC. The system is trying to tell you that something is wrong. Understand the error, make it your friend, then correct it. It will go away, no hard feelings. I have never sent a design to be fabricated with DRC's. There's always a way to correct the error. I've seen most of it, if not all. No DRC at required areas: False DRC errors should have some way of making the tool not report them as errors. Regards, Radha Krishnan G. 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This year we are doing things a little differently than previous years by having individual Top Five issue lists for the following Allegro Platform products: Concept HDL, Capture/CIS, Allegro, APD, SpecctraQuest/SigXP/CM and Specctra. The schedule will be as follows: Input Begins: June 22, 2004 Input Ends: July 19, 2004 Top-5 Voting Begins: July 26, 2004 Voting Ends: August 6, 2004 Results Published: TBD Cadence's response to the Top-5 Issues will be shown as a presentation at the 2004 International Cadence Usergroup Conference and shortly there after the responses will be posted at http://www.cadenceusers.org <http://www.cadenceusers.org/> . Only the responses, and not the entire presentation will be posted. 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