[huskerlug] Re: A 100 watt laptop requires 960 lbs of coal per year!
- From: Joseph Smith <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: huskerlug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:29:28 -0500
The glacial melt is visible. You can plainly see that were missing a
tremendous amount of ice at the north pole, and losing huge ice
shelves in antarctica. You simply can't point to some evidence that
ocean temperatures are dropping and then say the *plainly* visible and
measurable isn't happening! There are literally thousands of pictures/
articles of direct evidence of *substantial* glacial melt at the poles:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-north-pole-is-melting
Hell-- we'll have an ice free northwest passage this summer! this
_isn't_ normal, if you define normal by the past several hundred
thousand years.
How do you deny the plainly obvious?
On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:30 AM, tw wrote:
> What's the fun of that. It appears to be much easier to simply get
> your
> news from The Daily Show :p
>
> Joseph Smith, how on earth is it possible to debate with someone who
> gets to decide what evidence is valid, what scientists are "real" and
> what data actually exists?
>
> THAT is the problem with global warming, THAT is the problem behind
> the
> "scientists" in charge. Anyone that disagrees is dismissed as crazy.
>
> You keep talking about glaciers melting and all that. That doesn't
> make
> sense given the temperatures of the oceans the link brought up
> earlier.
> Is their data not "real" enough for you?
>
> I've got $20 on global warming being dismissed in the next few decades
> if not sooner. Just as every doomsday prophet in the past has been,
> these ones will be as well.
>
>
> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 23:10 -0500, Joseph Smith wrote:
>> The amount of ice melting is far from normal-- if you consider the
>> past several millennia normal and the rapid change in the past couple
>> of decades abnormal--- any sane person would.
>>
>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080325-antarctica-photo.html
>>
>> Do you really believe thousands of climatologists the world over are
>> being mislead by summer glacial ice melt? I know its hard to imagine
>> the impact we are having on this planet living in Lincoln, NE, but
>> for
>> god sake, at least educate yourself on the subject before you comment
>> on it.
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2008, at 6:48 PM, John Moran wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, here goes - glaciers melt when it gets above freezing. It
>>> gets
>>> above freezing a lot in the spring, summer, and fall.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Joseph Smith <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>> so, I guess the answer to my question is no.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 2008, at 6:33 PM, John Moran wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "anyone out there that isn't a conspiracy theorist??"
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish I could believe you said that ironically. The guy on Al
>>>>> Gore's
>>>>> side asking for rational allies?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries
>>>>> recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the
>>>>> so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These
>>>>> scientists,
>>>>> many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC
>>>>> (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the
>>>>> climate
>>>>> claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. "
>>>>>
>>>>> http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?
>>>>> FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Joseph Smith
>>>>> <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> They call themselves "Self described scientists". If your going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> post links to anti-global warming "evidence", the least you could
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> is find information compiled by *real* scientists This SOB
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> even believe in natural selection, less evolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll ask again-- one of these bunk scientists has yet to give a
>>>>>> satisfactory explanation for why 100,000 year old glaciers are
>>>>>> melting
>>>>>> away before our eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> give me a break.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone out there that isn't a conspiracy theorist??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:19 PM, GreyGeek wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tw wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry Joseph,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since 2003, the first year that network from my link was put in
>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>> temperatures are dropping. It's mostly bunk science and
>>>>>>>> politically
>>>>>>>> motivated at best. I mean, you can disagree with that all you
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> you're parroting the lines that people have used for the past
>>>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>>>> years to 'prove' their claims of both disastrous global warming
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> cooling. None of their claims have come true yet. There's a
>>>>>>>> reason for
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
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