On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 17:27 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Stephan Assmus <superstippi@xxxxxx> > > wrote: > > > > Karl vom Dorff wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Jorge G. Mare > > <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 04:01 +1000, Zenja Solaja wrote: > > > > > Hi Karl. Great work with all the haiku images on > > HaikuWare. > > > > > > > > > > May I suggest a few additions to the Developer Edition > > super pack: > > > > > > > > > > 1) Since you are including BeIDE (great), can you also > > create a > > > > > directory called /boot/develop/BeIDE/tools, which is in > > fact a > > > > > symlink > > to /boot/develop/tools/gcc-2.95.3-haiku-080323/bin. This > > > > > allows BeIDE to build projects. > > > > > > > > This is a question to Karl: do you have permission to > > redistribute > > > > BeIDE? If you don't, I highly object that you include this > > or any other > > > > BeOS IP in the Haiku packages that you are distributing. > > > > > > > > > Right, I'll remove that. Anything else in there? What about > > > PackageBuilder, Serial Connect? > > > > > > Karl, you could answer this yourself. If you don't have > > permission from > > Be/Palm/ACCESS to distribute this, then it is just not legal. > > The BeOS > > Personal Edition comes with a clear license that says you can > > only > > distribute as is, not changed. Taking parts of it and > > distributing them > > would count as "changed" in my book. > > > > > > All that being said, ACCESS seems to be pretty liberal and > > understanding. > > They gave the BeOS Max guy the green light to do what he does. > > So maybe all > > you have to do is simply ask them. Explain what you are doing > > and I am sure > > you have quite a good chance of getting permission. > > > > However, just going ahead and doing it because *you* think it > > is ok, is not > > what you should do, IHMO. Someone (ie at ACCESS) not very > > involved with > > Haiku could completely misunderstand this (your package) as > > comming from > > the project itself. > > > > Thanks for these comments. Perhaps I'll contact Access and see what > > they say. It's probably pretty difficult to program without BeIDE. > > > > Anyways, I've removed the packages in question from both of these > > images as well as applied the other suggestions. > > Proprietary and closed-source apps are a dead end. In the long run it > would be better if you looked into the open source and/or actively > developed alternatives. True. > Not only may you find replacements whose source > could potentially be included in Haiku (license permitting and if > needed/desired), but you would also give much deserved encouragement to > those devs doing application development for an emerging platform like > Haiku. A few examples: > > * Niue IDE for BeOS/Haiku (http://www.bebits.com/app/4540) > Developed by Tako Lansbergen (aka "0033") > Screenshots: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~tako0033/Niue/niue2.png<http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etako0033/Niue/niue2.png> > This is actively developed and open source. I've included this one already. > > > * Various from Jerome Fillon (http://www.softimedia.com) > SerialTransfert (http://www.bebits.com/app/318) > BeBuilderEditor (http://www.bebits.com/app/496) > More from this author: http://www.bebits.com/devprofile/160 I'll look into these. Thanks! > <http://www.bebits.com/devprofile/160> > > I believe SHINTA has also developed a (maybe BeIDE compatible?) IDE for > ZETA, which I understand he plans to migrate to Haiku at some point. Not > sure where that stands now, but it may be good to contact him and ask > (he may be able to crank out a BeOS binary that works in Haiku). > > Cheers, > > Koki > > > > -- Karl vom Dorff B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor) http://www.karlvd.com http://www.clubloreley.org http://www.haikuware.com