Hi, On 13 February 2011 15:56, Stephan Assmus <superstippi@xxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Niels, > > Von: Niels Sascha Reedijk <niels.reedijk@xxxxxxxxx> >> SHOWSTOPPERS >> While the previous discussion mentioned whether or not we should have >> blockers, I hope it is clear that this proposal is a time-based >> release proposal. Practically this means the following: a showstopper >> is only a showstopper if: >> a) someone is actively working on resolving it >> b) and the fix can be provided within a reasonable period of time (in >> other words: a delay of the release more than a week is too much) >> >> The rest are known issues. > > Thanks for trying to give this another push. I am all for preparing another > release ASAP. However I don't agree that nothing can be a showstopper. I > think the release makes sense if it's at least not worse than the last > release. If there are bugs in it that prohibit its use, I don't see the point > in making the release. For example, DHCP is broken right now, we cannot make > a release with a bug like that. It is hard to decide which bugs are such show > stoppers. And it's hard to decide what to do if no one has the time to fix > something that was decided to be a show stopper. I think this is the reason > why things have not moved forward. This line of thought might have brought > about your proposal to make a time based release, but I still don't think it > makes sense to release another "reference point" when it's not guaranteed to > be useable. Maybe it's helpful to think of show stoppers only of those bugs > that have not been present in the last alpha release, i.e. true regressions, > and I agree that the original formulation was too harsh. I wanted to suggest preventing waiting for changes that everybody wants, but that nobody is actually working on delivering. I agree that a time-based release only works when it can be a usable reference point, but using a deadline structure to move people into the right direction might be an extra incentive. Or it might fail miserably and then we can say: lesson learnt. N>