Hi Again, The bad news is that I still haven't installed either Haiku or BeOS 5 Pro. The good news is that that's because I had no space on any of my hard drives, and am too short of cash to buy any new ones. So I set to work tidying up all my hard drives - I have many of them, deleting stuff I knew I didn't need, backing up stuff I wanted to keep, and deleting some of the keepers once they were backed up as I didn't actually need them online. Happily, I can devote an entire 80 GB drive to my Haiku work. That should be enough, no? I'd need four systems: BeOS 5 Pro, Linux for building Haiku, a stable Haiku install, and an unstable on to test my current work. I've been pondering what I could do just to get my feet wet, that would be enough work for me that I'd learn the basics of the toolchain and the codebase, but not so hard that it would take me a long time or even risk failure. Let me say though that having twenty-one years experience as a coder on VAX-VMS, DEC-System 10 and 20, BSD starting with PDP-11, Microport Unix, DOS, SunOS and Solaris, Mac OS from System 6 through Leopard, Windows from 95 through XP, and embedded work on Texas Instruments DSP/BIOS as well as naked hardware, and of course BeOS from DR8 through 5 Pro with a Master's Awards Honorable Mention, *nothing* in the way of software development actually scares me. Observe: http://www.goingware.com/resume/ It's just that I'm most productive when I come to grips with a codebase in a sensible way as outlined below. I think I found one a suitable first project: I happened to want a LiveCD to pass out to friends so they can try Haiku without actually install, and for my own purposes to easily test on whatever box was handy, without messing with it's data. It turns out there *is* such a LiveCD, but it is not trouble-free and I don't think it's been maintained, at least not since March: The Return of the Son of the Demo CD http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu_man/2008-03-03/the_return_of_the_son_of_the_demo_cd Our FAQ says there is no LiveCD available: http://www.haiku-os.org/about/faq#8 So I think my LiveCD would be useful not just to me and not just to prospective Haiku users but to the whole Haiku effort as a way of attracting new users and developers. - make a CD according to mmu_man's instructions from March 2008 - update mmu_man's LiveCD creation procedure to the *current* state of Haiku - Document this new procedure so any damn fool can follow it. While foolproof software is attainable, damn foolproof software is much harder! - Write a build script that generates a ready-to-burn ISO image in either of two ways ---- by checking Haiku's source out of CVS and building it, ---- by using one of the nightly images - develop a test plan, tools and scripts to verify that a given ISO would be usable and stable in the hands of a naive user - automate the generation of ISOs and testing, with test reports readily accessible for example as web pages - either fix Haiku bugs that effect the LiveCD myself or assist you folks in doing so, such as by writing simple and reproducible bug demonstrations - develop an automated way for all end-user data, not just their home directory but all their settings and the like, to be saved transparently to a USB Flash drive Once I have storage on USB sticks as well as just one, single stable and usable ISO image file, nightly or CVS snapshot though it may be, post the image for public download on the haiku-os website and link it from other community sites like BeBits and Freshmeat. - Get Slashdotted when the LiveCD is publicly announced. Best to offer it via BitTorrent for that. Kick back, relax, and look for my next Haiku project. I already have some in mind but they're all much, much harder. Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdcrawford at gmail dot com Enjoy my art, photography, music and writing at http://www.geometricvisions.com/ --- Free Compact Disc ---