Neville, Allen, Well, you won't convince me by using "gravity slingshots," since I do not accept them. Ok, but do you Bleive in Aspedn effect?...If you do then why would you doubt grav slignshots it is the exact same principle....If you do not, what is your fundimental, underlying bases for rejecting grav slingshots and or the Aspedn effect?..why would their exisitiance if real deny or preclude a geocentric universe and or how do they promote a heliocentric one.? The main problem is that I do not see your phenomenally huge aether vibration frequency as being sustainable or necessary. My suggested frequency is the one that matches the tides. Ie, about 0.000022 Hz. Do you think then we could use that frequency or any frequency for that matter to test and see if we can reproduce the relitive mass distrobution displayed in the large scale maps like the SDSS.........If not then how would we test this?..do you think we can test either of our frequencies/ models....? maybe we could look at the dynamics of gravity from two fundimentaly differnt perspeitves...this is to say, i look at gravity as a interation of "two fundimental actions" (current action and vibraional action)..but two actions never the less that can be isolated from eachother atlest to some degree....I think you are suggesting a "single action" gravity model..or not?.........maybe we could look at just the merits of single v double action gravitiy"...is this the reason why you reject grav sling shots?...if so then would you say that your theroy is diriving your interpritaion/ acceptance of data? Generaly what data/ effects/ observations from the various MS physics/Space agencies do we disagree about ...? 1.Grav slingshots 2. trips to say mars ..and such.? 3. 4. This does not have to be a comprehisive list......im not going to hold anyone to it exclusivly ..im just trying to get a better "feel" for what we can agree on or need to address at some more or other fundimental level in a differnt way perhaps...... How can we explore the nature of these gravity issues further is there any new data/observations/ experiments that anyone knows of that might shed light on the nature of gravity....? Neville www.GeocentricUniverse.com -----Original Message----- From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Neville, I think grav slingshots and other Aspeden effects could be described by Bernoulli (becuse that would be currents just like in a river). However, i don’t think his principles would apply to the or any vibrational effects......I argue that currents are only one part of a "gravitational whole"( all gravitiaonl effects) ( i argue for those two necessary mechanical forces....currents and vibrations) where large scale structure and the local "surface tension" like affects of "local gravity" are vibrations and are somewhat independent of currents themselves or "aetheral flow" & bias ..... additional force in grav sling shots are due to currents but the attraction itself to the earth is due to vibrational grav...…….how far apart are we? …..what can i say to convince you of my position..? :-) Allen Get Free 5GB Email – Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more!