The betrayal and apostasy of the Roman Hierarchy... a commonly held view: I can think of at least two things. (1) The infiltraton of the Church by communsits and Jews. It has frequently been alleged that Pope Pius VI was a Jew and that the maternal grandmother of Pope John Paul II was a jewess. (2) The take over of Vatican Council II by the incredibe intellectual pride of periti such as Rahner, Kung, Von Balthasar, de Luba, de Chardin, Chenu, Ratzinger, Wojtyla, von Balthasar, Maritain, etc. OK, Your right maybe, but the question was rhetorical.. But what really went wrong, was the great mass of ordinary Catholics becoming Sunday Catholics, preferring the allures of the world for the rest of the week and even Sunday as they escaped the Mass and off to the footy or whatever... .. It had to follow that out of these the vocations would have to be dangerous as clerics. or popes..What goes around comes around. . And what has Grandma got to do with it.. Mine was an athiest, Angligan, thats worse than a God fearing Jew, yet I'm still Catholic. Philip.