Thing with Jesus death was, he fullfilled many of the propiesies from the old testament. Now one of the propiesies was to do with the mosiac law being a curse and that Jesus death released the Jews from that curce, now even in translations that use the word cross in the New Testament, the scripture from the Old Testament says, "Cursed is the man hanged on a Stake", that is a stake, not a cross, still many other scriptures in the New Testament read on a tree. Now Constantine, was a Sun Worshipper, the sign he was given for his all embracing new religion was, a cross. If you go to the British Museum, you can see statues of Sun Gods who have the sign of....a cross. Sometimes a cross with a circle in the middle representing the Sun. Bearing in mind Gods views on pagan worship, where even gold that had been used for false idols had to be ground down and washed away in the river, never to be used again, is it logical that God would use a sign for his religion that is the same as the sigh for Satans religion? Pete Charlton ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it. Oh how they hate the Cross... Shame on you Paul. They , even Rome, who would help promote the lies, any lie, to change the tradition of a cross support the Jewish High Priest, who denied He was the King of the Jews.. There is no evidence other than some writings which need not be valid, to support your charge. Some even call the cross a tree. All of the scripture you quoted contradicts your final assertion, "It was written on a board and nailed to the crossbeam above Jesus' head giving rise to the erroneous notion that He was hung on a 'cross'." read it again... "And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. ..." Not the crossbeam.. Its strange to me that you an antiCatholic antichrist, antiGod self confessed athiest suddenly leaps to the defence of a jew loving, jew supporting antiCatholic Pope.. ????Or is it? not so strange after all. Nice to know you are reading all our religious stuff.. Hope for you abounds. You should revisit your catechism, before these protties get you... lol.... In geocentrism's name, Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it. Peter C As I understand it, the Romans crucified people by attaching the condemned to a cross beam which was then placed on top of a pole. That was all that was needed, and it cost less. If they wanted the condemned to linger, a seat and/or footrest was sometimes provided. When Jesus was crucified, Pilate "... wrote a title and put it on the cross ... " 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin. 19:21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews. 19:22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written. (King James Bible, John) Today this is given as INRI -- the Latin initialism for IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM (Jesus Nazarenus, rex Judæorum). It was written on a board and nailed to the crossbeam above Jesus' head giving rise to the erroneous notion that He was hung on a 'cross'. Paul D ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PETER CHARLTON <peter.nambo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 5:18:18 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it. I read that when the Jews where kicked out of Spain, the Sanhedrin told Jews to convert to Catholisism, in order to subvert it. The current Pope looks rather Jewish with his skull cap, ephod for the 12 tribes of Israel, and notice that his crucifix is now a blatent " T ", not even pretening to be a cross but the sacred T of the Sun God Tammuz who the Jewish Women used to weep over. Pete Charlton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look.