Dear Allen, This is just a side question. Is there any significance in where the NCP and the NEP meet or intersect? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Daves To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:14 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Two spin axes of Earth? supplemental See attached 2 diagrams...Don't everyone get all up in a uproar if you don't understand, then this may just be more info then you need. However, this is for those few who think that since no "rotation" exist in the earths orbit, therefore we could not observer or detect any kind of a rotational effects .....Regner appears to be such a fellow.. :-) 1. I show you dont need any "rotataion" to observer a "rotaional effect" as long as the net postions recorded are equivilent to the ones found in a rotaional motion. 2. I show that thoes certain nessiary conditons do exist for the earth even in a "translated" motion of earth's orbit...