[geocentrism] Re: The Trinity
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:58:34 +1000
In any case Neville you are on safe ground.. Her majesty, and even the pope
always speak in the plural. "we are pleased... " she says..
Its the royal way of sounding superior..
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From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: The Trinity
-----Original Message-----
From: jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:38 +0000
Neville Jones wrote:
My faith is in our Father, not in any man. I am a Unitarian, not a
Trinitarian.
Neville do you accept the first two verses of Genesis? The word 'God' used
is plural in Hebrew. Then who or what was the 'Spirit of God' that was
hovering? Is this Spirit the same as God or is it something different from God?
So that we all know what it is that we are discussing:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the
deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
The word used there for 'God', 'Elohim', is not necessarily plural simply
because it ends in 'im'. I have checked this out with several native Hebrew
speakers and in several books, but it should come as no surprise to you that I
reject the whole word, 'Elohim', since it is specific only to the Jews and I
reject the notion that the Jews are God's 'chosen people'.
Since God is a spirit, I see no problem in describing God as a spirit
(hovering over the waters).
Gen 1:26.
Who was the 'Us' that God was referring to when he said 'Let Us make man
etc.'
God and the Devil.
As I understand Neville you accept the Gospel of John or Magdalene as you
you would call it.
Not in its entireity, no. There is no book in the Bible in my opinion that
has not suffered from the lying pen of the scribes.
So what do you understand about verse 1? John is clearly referring to Jesus
who was in the beginning and was God. The verse refers to "the word," or
"logos," as was well known to the ancient Egyptians and others.
Now we have a plural God mentioned in verse 1, a Spirit of God and then the
use of the word 'US' in verse 26 and finally then Jesus in John 1:1. The
Trinity is mentioned immediately in the first two verses of Genesis and among
many other places in the Bible and Jesus' connection confirmed by John 1:1. It
is absolutely clear that God is not a 'unity God' but a 'Trinity God'. Your
logic is wrong. Not only that, but "The Trinity," contrary to your ascertion,
is mentioned nowhere, absolutely nowhere, in the black book.
Your insistence of slavishly using this single scripture "By myself I can
do nothing." to deny the Trinity in the face of the above scriptures shows your
inability to understand how God can be three distinct persons. Wrong. When I
don't quote 'Jesus' you don't like it and when I do quote him you can't handle
it. It is purely your inability to comprehend or willingness to accept such a
concept. In spite of your undoubted human intelligence and human reasoning
powers, they just won't stretch to comprehending the Trinity. Thank you for the
compliments, but this 'trinity' idea is as old as Sun-worship itself.
May I suggest you take a look at a small A5 size book that I sent to Steven
which details almost all the references to the Trinity in the Bible. But I
imagine your let-out will be that the Bible it is just a book of astrology,
except for some bits, and therefore unworthy of further investigation. Well,
that too, but the phamplet was so poorly written, contradictory and bigotted
that I lit the fire with it. It was one of the worst attempts at justifying the
trinity idea that I have ever seen.
As an academic exercise why don't you check-out this book and see if it
does indeed prove the Trinity even though you reject the Bible itself. If you
can show me that it doesn't then I will personally re-think the Trinity. Please
don't cloud the issue with the introduction of extra-Biblical material. The
Bible has to stand or fall on this one issue - does the Bible supports a
Trinity Godhead?
In my opinion, as you yourself know from well before I rejected most (or
even any) of the black book, it definitely does not.
Neville.
Jack
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