Welcome Regner, Thank-you for agreeing to participate in The Geocentric Discussion Group of Neville T. Jones Ph.D. I know that you are not a part of the "Geocentric Truth Movement", are a critic of such and are here as an "expert" representing and supporting the heliocentric world-view, and to prove the "incorrectness" of Geocentrism. My view is that you will find the other experts of true science and Geocentrism that are members of this discussion group to be very intelligent and knowledgeable people, and you may later find out that, "I wasn't expecting this high level of a challenge to my heliocentric viewpoints." I think I had originally sent out a two page introductory email with some core comments about Geocentrism from Marshall Hall and Neville Jones, or at least you were directed to the websites with their links. Now as far as Geocentrists are concerned all the major pieces of evidence indicate a non-rotating, non-orbiting, stationary Earth at the centre of the universe with the sun doing the moving not the Earth. The sun orbits the Earth daily and also has a yearly oscillating or spiral movement, that takes it from the Tropic of Cancer in the north on a six month journey to the Tropic of Capricorn in the south where the sun supernaturally reverses tracks and heads on new six month journey northwards. The Geocentric viewpoint can explain everything we see about the Earth System based on real science and facts, and the heliocentric viewpoint tries to do this also but the "science" is built not on facts but theories and assumptions that are adopted out of thin air to form a foundation for this cosmological structure. On a sunny calm summer day I can look up and see with my own eyes that the sun is moving, and also at the same time I do not feel any Earth movement. I do not feel any rumblings from an Earth supposedly orbiting the sun at 67,000 miles per hour. And I see and feel a perfectly calm gas or atmosphere that should be greatly disturbed if the Earth were to have the heliocentric speeds. So to try and start this discussion off with Regner could you please pose a question or criticism about a Geocentric point that you are sure is faulty or incorrect, or maybe a heliocentric point that you feel is indisputable, or some other way that you feel is best to get this debate going? Kind Regards, Bernie Brauer --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.