- To me, the bottom line is who do you believe: the National Academy of Science or Mobil/Exxon? Believing Exxon makes as much sense as believing = the tobacco companies that smoking is not bad for you. HereFishyFishy, There is technology to make the cars more efficient. I read some place = out in Colorado modified a Suburban to get 60 miles to the gallon. The problem is the politicians will not require the car manufactures to = make cars more efficient (CAF=C9 Standards) (MO Senators always oppose = requiring cars to be more efficient and IL Senators always support it) and the consumers are not demanding it. Perhaps the price of gas will change things. It is not just the hybrid technology that is not being used. Here are = some more examples of EXISTING technology. We also have a lot of brilliant engineers who could be inventing much more.=20 Advanced Ignitions: By replacing a conventional starter motor and alternator with an Integrated Starter Generator (ISG), a gas engine can switch off when the vehicle is stopped and idling. Vehicles burn as much as 15 percent of their gas while sitting in traffic. The ISG restarts the motor when you put your foot on the gas, just like tapping a computer mouse to awaken a sleeping computer, and saves added fuel by doing it more efficiently than a standard starter. Fuel Economy Improvement: 15-25% High Strength, Lightweight Materials: Strong, lightweight steel, aluminum, and plastics can all play a role in helping vehicles shed weight while enhancing safety. Fuel Economy Improvement: 25-30% Sleeker Design: Improving the aerodynamics cuts down on wind resistance and installing low rolling resistance tires reduces road friction. Fuel Economy Improvement: 5% Smarter Transmissions: A Continuously Variable Automatic Transmission (CVT) allows for an infinite number of gear ratios for the most efficient combination of engine speed and wheel speed. With a CVT, gears are replaced by continuous belts to maximize efficiency. A 2001 study by the trade publication Automotive News estimated a 20% fuel economy gain from a CVT. High-Tech Engines: By allowing engine intake valves to close early during low demand, variable valve timing prevents inefficient pumping. Adding lean-burn technology, which introduces more air to the combustion chamber, can provide further efficiency. Fuel economy gains also occur when engines have four valves per cylinder instead of two, individual cylinder control, and cylinder deactivation, which improves fuel economy by automatically shutting down unneeded cylinders when less power is required. Automotive News found that Cylinder Deactivation alone would result in as much as a 20% improvement in fuel economy. There is no excuse for cars/SUVs/trucks not to be averaging at least 40 = MPG. If cars were twice as efficient, it would need half the gas. If people = used half the gas, there would be much less demand for it so the price would = be lower. Less gas also equals less pollution and less people getting sick or = dying from pollution. =20 The Union of Concerned Scientists' recent study showed that higher fuel economy in cars and light trucks will create jobs throughout the economy. UCS estimates that the auto industry alone will gain 40,000 new jobs. In addition, the money consumers save at the gas pump will be reinvested in the economy, creating an estimated additional 161,000 net new jobs nationwide. Requiring auto companies to build cleaner cars will make automakers more competitive. The Big Three put auto industry jobs at risk by failing to use innovative technology. While Japanese and European car makers are putting lean-burn engines, continuously variable transmissions, and other fuel efficient technologies into their cars, American automakers continue to produce inefficient designs with primitive technology. Already dozens of unionized factories in the United States produce clean car technology. We could do even more by putting American ingenuity to work to make clean, efficient, American made cars and SUVs. =20 My previous car was a Ford Escort. I really liked it. It was my first choice to replace it, but Honda's Civic got much better gas mileage so I bought the civic. So that is an example of how Ford's failure to make = more efficient cars lost them a sale. Long-time safety advocates, such as the Center for Auto Safety, support increasing CAFE standards to 40 miles per gallon =97 and point out that we can do so safely. A joint study by the Union of Concerned Scientists and the Center for Auto Safety found that raising the fuel economy of new cars and light trucks to 40 mpg would benefit =93consumers, the economy and the environment without sacrificing passenger safety=94 In fact, the rate of traffic fatalities fell 50% during the same period fuel economy doubled due to CAFE standards. Auto manufacturers claim they can only achieve higher CAFE standards by changing their entire fleets to smaller cars. But they said the same thing in 1974 when a Ford spokesperson testified before Congress that a 27.5 mpg standard would result in a =93Ford product line consisting of either all Pinto-sized vehicles or some mix of vehicles ranging from a sub-sub-compact to perhaps a Maverick.=94 Obviously, they were wrong then =97 and they are wrong again today. Jim Bensman "Nature Bats Last"=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg & Bobbi Crouch > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:31 AM > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Is it really getting warmer? >=20 > - > Seems like I heard somewhere that the Earth goes through a 60 year = climate > cycle. We may just be in the warming phase of the cycle. If someone = builds > a > hybrid 3/4 ton x-cab long bed truck that gets 40 mpg you can bet I'll = be > looking into buying one. I have a lawn care biz and spend about $500 = per > month on gas alone just for my truck. >=20 > HereFishyFishy >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <know_future@xxxxxxxx> > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:55 AM > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Is it really getting warmer? >=20 >=20 > > - > > Morning all, > > I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that we are witnessing a > global > warming trend. The big question in my mind is whether we can, or = should, > try > to make an effort to reverse it. Geologic evidence indicates that on > several > occasions in the distant past St. Louis was covered by oceans and had = a > tropical climate. We also find skeletons of mastadons and other ice = age > plants and animals. This happened when the oceans receded (the water = being > stored in massive continental ice sheets) and earth entered one of = many > global ice ages. > > Indeed there have been numerous global warming and cooling cycles = during > earth's history. Each cycle lasts for tens of thousands of years, so = we > have > not yet witnessed a complete cycle. The thing to keep in mind is that = our > climate is cyclical, therefore it is always changing, never static. = The > earth's climate has been quite cool, by geologic standards, since the > beginning of recorded history. That it's becoming warmer should not be > surprising. > > Can we do anything about it? I think the answer is: we don't know. = To > blame ourselves for global warming may be an overreaction. We didn't = cause > any of the previous warming cycles - they all happened before humans > arrived > on the scene. Yet something caused them. Geologic history suggests = that > the > earth is inevitably going to enter a global warming cycle. We don't = know > when or why and most likely, if it is happening now, it's not because = of > anything we are doing. > > Should we try to do anything about it? In my opinion, no. Why? We = don't > understand the mechanics of the global climate cycles. Since we don't > understand the problem, how can we hope to solve it? When I was in = college > in the 70s, some scientists believed that we were entering a new ice = age. > There were proposals to pump massive quantities of CO2 into the = atmosphere > in an attempt to retain warmth in the atmosphere. How things have = changed > in > just 30 years! Personally I think that our ability to alter a global > phenomenon that has been occurring for billions of years is about nil. > > On the other hand, saving fossils fuels, reducing emissions of = poisonous > chemicals, gases, etc. is a worthwhile effort for many obvious health > reasons. To say that this will also have an effect on global climate > trends > just doesn't jive with the historical record, in my mind. > > Thanks for considering my opinion (if you did, that is ). > > Know Future (BS Geology, 1976) > > -- "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > - > > http://www.junkscience.com/ > > Mike > > > > Tired of Spam?? > > Here's your solution.. > > See: http://www.spamarrest.com/affl?4001050 > > > > **************************************** > > Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com > > Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching > > Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html > > **************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list: > > send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with = 'unsubscribe' in > the Subject field > > > > > > **************************************** > > Our WebPage! 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