[GeoStL] Re: HTM#1 Witches Cemetery RE: Bernie
- From: Dan Henke <thunder_monk@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:33:47 -0700 (PDT)
Bernie,
I never get mad at an opinion respectly expressed .....what aggravated me about
the log was that this cacher made several assumptions about this cache and
expressed them in the log in a negative manner and made it seem as if I was
personally responsible for the destruction going on in this cemetery.
As far as caches in cemeteries are concerned ....I do not think it is
disrespectful of the dead to visit a cache in or around a cemetery....I am VERY
respectful of cemeteries....I will NOT step directly on a grave but walk around
them and between them...I stop and visit and sometimes say a prayer for those
who have gone before us......I even still stop and pull off and remove my hat
when a funeral procession goes by even on the main highway.
I might agree with you in some of the more used or newer cemeteries but some of
the older ones are being slowly forgotten and being lost....I know of at least
6 or 7 cemeteries that are being slowly overgrown and lost to time because
there just is no one left to maintain them....by placing a cache there you are
bringing people in to visit the site....possibly remember the people that are
laid to rest there by reading tombstones and possibly just have someone pay
their respects in some way. Also by bringing people into a cemetery you have
placed another set of eyes there to watch for vandalism and destruction and
either stopping it or reporting it to people who can.
The main cemetery here in Rolla has one cache and two that start there...I feel
that as a direct result of these caches there has been much less vandalism
here....when I first placed the caches there where tombstones beign desecrated
and destroyed on the average of 1 or 2 a night.....since I place the caches and
have been keeping watch on them the vandalism has almost all but stopped.
I also understand that not everyone is as respectful of the dead as I am but I
think most of us are.
I respect your opinion but I also feel that some of the neatest caches I have
done centered or touched on a cemetery in some way and I enjoyed the visit and
the history involved in some of these cool places
Dan
Bernie <happykraut@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
- I'm happy to hear that you are thinking of archiving this cache. I don't
believe I have done it. The search engine in GC.com sucks so bad that I could
not find it.
Dan, my thoughts have nothing to do with you or your cache. These are just
personal feelings. I have always felt that caches in cemeterys should not be
allowed and yes I have done a few of them in my travels. I think it is
disrespectful to the dead and their loved ones trump sing around looking for a
cache. There are so many other places where we can play our game. I have
expressed my feelings about this in several of my logs.
As far as old historic rock walls or foundations. Well, if each cacher only
wiggles loose one rock or stone or worse yet, removes only one or two rocks,
what will the wall look like down the road. I have seen quite a bit of damage
to some walls. They can not be replaced and are lost forever. Don't be mad,
just a couple of my personal thoughts. Bernie.
Dan Henke wrote: To all SLAGA members:
Here is a note I posted on the above mentioned cache:
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In answer to the previous DNF note I thought I would defend myself against the
slightly veiled accusations.
1st: This is an OLD cemetery that is not maintained very well or at all by the
locals. The rundown appearance is part of the mystique of the place. It was NOT
caused by geocachers.
2nd: The wall was in the shape it is in now when I placed the cache and has not
changed much in the time the cache has been in place. IT was NOT torn down by
geocachers looking for the cache. I am sure some rocks were moved but in the
case of the wall it did nothing to destroy it.
3rd: Yes I did get permission to place the cache there and as to the damage
caused by cachers please see the first two points.
4th: I am tired of being dumped on about this cache...it is in a very cool and
historic location....you see some very interesting and exotic country....there
is an old fashioned country store there that is almost worth the trip in itself
which is why I set the cache in the first place. The cache itself is almost
secondary to the things you see on the way and while you are in the
neighborhood.
The cache is difficult yes but is not anymore difficult than some others I have
done...you DO NOT have to destroy anything to find it....it is located under a
couple of rocks in the wall but in almost every case I have checked on it there
was a portion of the cache visible if you look close enough.....
5th: I am seriously thinking of archiving this cache as it has proved too
difficult for a lot of people and it is too far away for me to maintain it
easily
So if you have had this one on your to do list ...you might want to do it quick
Thunder
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As stated in the log I am thinking VERY seriously about archiving this
cache....it is difficult to maintain and with the price of gas going as high as
it is I do NOT want to have to drive 45 to 50 minutes out of my way to check on
a cache I am sure is there but just not found.
So for those of you who have not found it yet you might want to consider going
for it soon.
Dan (Thunder)
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