[GeoStL] Re: HTM#1 Witches Cemetery RE: Bernie

  • From: Bernie <happykraut@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:20:31 -0500

-   Dan, it just goes to show you that there are two sides to every story. Obviously most people didn't agree with me on my cemetery opinion. But, that is OK. I just stated what 'I' felt. I did notice that not hardly a comment was made on the damaging of old walls and foundations. Does that mean that people agree on that point?  Bernie.

Dan Henke wrote:
I never get mad at an opinion respectly expressed .....what aggravated me about the log was that this cacher made several assumptions about this cache and expressed them in the log in a negative manner and made it seem as if I was personally responsible for the destruction going on in this cemetery.
As far as caches in cemeteries are concerned ....I do not think it is disrespectful of the dead to visit a cache in or around a cemetery....I am VERY respectful of cemeteries....I will NOT step directly on a grave but walk around them and between them...I stop and visit and sometimes say a prayer for those who have gone before us......I even still stop and pull off and remove my hat when a funeral procession goes by even on the main highway.
I might agree with you in some of the more used or newer cemeteries but some of the older ones are being slowly forgotten and being lost....I know of at least 6 or 7 cemeteries that are being slowly overgrown and lost to time because there just is no one left to maintain them....by placing a cache there you are bringing people in to visit the site....possibly remember the people that are laid to rest there by reading tombstones and possibly just have someone pay their respects in some way. Also by bringing people into a cemetery you have placed another set of eyes there to watch for vandalism and destruction and either stopping it  or reporting it to people who can.
The main cemetery here in Rolla has one cache and two that start there...I feel that as a direct result of these caches there has been much less vandalism here....when I first placed the caches there where tombstones beign desecrated and destroyed on the average of 1 or 2 a night.....since I place the caches and have been keeping watch on them the vandalism has almost all but stopped.
I also understand that not everyone is as respectful of the dead as I am but I think most of us are.
I respect your opinion but I also feel that some of the neatest caches I have done centered or touched on a cemetery in some way and I enjoyed the visit and the history involved in some of these cool places

Bernie <happykraut@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-  I'm happy to hear that you are thinking of archiving this cache. I don't believe I have done it. The search engine in GC.com sucks so bad that I could not find it.
 Dan, my thoughts have nothing to do with you or your cache. These are just personal feelings. I have always felt that caches in cemeterys should not be allowed and yes I have done a few of them in my travels. I think it is disrespectful to the dead and their loved ones trump sing around looking for a cache. There are so many other places where we can play our game. I have expressed my feelings about this in several of my logs.
 As far as old historic rock walls or foundations. Well, if each cacher only wiggles loose one rock or stone or worse yet, removes only one or two rocks, what will the wall look like down the road. I have seen quite a bit of damage to some walls. They can not be replaced and are lost forever. Don't be mad, just a couple of my personal thoughts.  Bernie.

Dan Henke wrote:
To all SLAGA members:
Here is a note I posted on the above mentioned cache:
In answer to the previous DNF note I thought I would defend myself against the slightly veiled accusations.
1st: This is an OLD cemetery that is not maintained very well or at all by the locals. The rundown appearance is part of the mystique of the place. It was NOT caused by geocachers.
2nd: The wall was in the shape it is in now when I placed the cache and has not changed much in the time the cache has been in place. IT was NOT torn down by geocachers looking for the cache. I am sure some rocks were moved but in the case of the wall it did nothing to destroy it.
3rd: Yes I did get permission to place the cache there and as to the damage caused by cachers please see the first two points.
4th: I am tired of being dumped on about this cache...it is in a very cool and historic location....you see some very interesting and exotic country....there is an old fashioned country store there that is almost worth the trip in itself which is why I set the cache in the first place. The cache itself is almost secondary to the things you see on the way and while you are in the neighborhood.
The cache is difficult yes but is not anymore difficult than some others I have done...you DO NOT have to destroy anything to find it....it is located under a couple of rocks in the wall but in almost every case I have checked on it there was a portion of the cache visible if you look close enough.....
5th: I am seriously thinking of archiving this cache as it has proved too difficult for a lot of people and it is too far away for me to maintain it easily
So if you have had this one on your to do list ...you might want to do it quick
As stated in the log I am thinking VERY seriously about archiving this cache....it is difficult to maintain and with the price of gas going as high as it is I do NOT want to have to drive 45 to 50 minutes out of my way to check on a cache I am sure is there but just not found.
So for those of you who have not found it yet you might want to consider going for it soon.
Dan (Thunder)

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