[GeoStL] Re: Advice requested
- From: "Jg \"outdoorman63\"" <outdoorman1963@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:56:40 -0800 (PST)
sounds generous to me.....
Eric & Dayna East <believer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:-
Here's my e-mail to eagleyes.
We'll see how they respond...
Hello eagleyes,
I'm sorry you made the trip up all of those stairs only to find that the
cache had gone AWOL. I have had similar incidents in my time caching as
well, and it is very frustrating!
However, I have not logged a no find without first contacting the cache
owner first to verify that I was indeed looking in the correct spot.
I have had some owners allow it to be logged and others have not. Their
choice...
That being said, I have a little trouble with your logging a find on my
guiding light cache without first contacting me. Most likely you found the
hiding spot because it was pretty obvious. So, if you don't mind please
e-mail me and tell me where you think the cache was supposed to be. If you
are correct, the log may stand. If not, I will have to delete it.
Thanks & God bless!
Believer
----- Original Message -----
From: "BottomFeeder"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:18 AM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Advice requested
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lusicic [mailto:lusicic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 21:39
>
> Your list of examples of moral relativism is not IMHO examples of moral
relativism at all.
> It is a schedule of punishment to fit the degree of wrong done,
And that's exactly the point. There are shades of gray in *everything*.
There is no black/white 'right is right and wrong is wrong'. It's all
'relative'.
> I would like to see someone like that not NEED to claim it as a find and
have a tremendous amount of fun
> in just doing things like this and not even worry about counting it or
not.
> I just think they will feel better in the long run.
Would agree with the first part, but obviously logging the find is what
makes this guy 'feel better in the long run'.....regardless of what you or I
think. Given that he drove down to the location from Minnesota, apparently
has some sort of chronic medical condition that creates a need to wear knee
braces, and had to deal with that condition to climb a lengthy set of steps
to get to the 'spot', then a little 'moral relativism' seems perfectly
appropriate. This isn't some 10 yr old kid who needs to be taught life
lessons. For him, the 'getting there' wasn't fun in this case.....it was a
struggle. Of course, that assumes his medical condition isn't BS. And I'll
assume he's innocent unitl proven guilty on that one.
If he routinely used his medical condition as an excuse to log a find when
it was truly a DNF....even when the cache was only 50 steps from his car,
your point would be stronger. But we don't know that's the case.
> Thanks for your thoughts on what I said. Sometimes it is hard to tell
> whether I have expressed myself adequately or not in this medium,
Yep, email is not always conducive to optimal communication. And you've
explained you're opinion as well as can probably be done. We'll just have to
agree to disagree. IMO, there is room for 'moral relativism'. Doesn't mean I
think every time someone had an 'excuse' to log a DNF as a find that they
should be allowed to do so. But considering the circumstances of this one
instance, I don't think it would be unreasonable. And it sounds as though
Believer has taken a reasonable approach to making that decision.
-= Russ =- (BotFee)
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