[gender-it] Re: [GCA] Ideas and Questions about the activist meeting at Digitales in Brussels soon

  • From: "lize" <lize@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'libby'" <libbylibby@xxxxxxxxx>,"'genderchangers list'" <gca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"'imc women list'" <imc-women@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"'Gender-IT list'" <gender-it@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:40:35 +0100

Hello a late answer on this mail...

> I would like to know who will be doing the Indymedia workshops,

it will be the people of indymedia that inscribed on the wiki page + 2
maybe 3 or 4 men from the indymedia's in Belgium (kitty, christophe and
guido for sure, maybe klaas and bruno)

>Also i've no idea how many people are exactly needed to do workshops.
There are 3 workshops planned :
*2 in bxls on 21&22, for 1 group of 12 participants
I thought this info was clear on this link I've sent out several times:
*1 workshop planned in Antwerp on 23th, but it is not clear if we can do
it, it depends on the Indymedia volunteers actually present.
Libby wrote me though she and clara could do the Antwerp workshop and
she was trying to convince duende and fran=E7oise to participate too.

Who is coming ?
I always thought the wiki page was clear and people who weren't coming
would unsubscribe themselves:
so if people aren't coming anymore that earlier said they were coming,
please unsubscribe from the wiki page=20

as I see the situation now :
anna is not coming anymore
clara is not coming anymore
sara from genderchangers is not coming anymore

all the rest on the wiki page is coming. That makes 6  girls from
Indymedia to do workshops (plus the boys must be ok for 12 pupils I
guess) and 19 media-activists for the forum on media-activism:

I find 19 people a good result. The forum of 23/1 was never meant to be
a huge meeting, it is just a first presentation session of
media-activism to the public and a small brainstorm on the gender issue.
Maybe we can organize a remote participation of the conference by
transferring everything with a beamer on IRC. My idea was to sit into a
circle with laptops and typing/translating the conference for the public
and the remote participants. The public that will be there is rather
newbie so I guess we should concentrate on why we do this media-activist
work and what gender problems we encounter, without getting into detail.

I still would like to do an Irc meeting for Indymedia workshop tomorrow
evening at 19h 30 and an irc meeting for the media-activist forum Monday
eveving at 19h 30. hope some of you will join.


> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: gca-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gca-
> admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens libby
> Verzonden: Lunes, 12 de Enero de 2004 12:46 p.m.
> Aan: genderchangers list; imc women list; Gender-IT list
> Onderwerp: Re: [GCA] Ideas and Questions about the activist meeting at
> Digitales in Brussels soon
> Hello Everybody,
> The event is only a week away and i aslo still have some questions.
> It is indeed time to set some topics and Anna's imput is very
> interesting, so is the addition Nathalie made on the digitales wiki
> rum_modera
> I would like to know who will be doing the Indymedia workshops, i can
> one in both Frenc and Dutch, i know Anna could do one in French and
> Clara in Dutch, Marthe is willing to hepl out doing a workshop and
> Marijuna offerd to support she'd have to do it with someone else
> she can only speak Italian and English. Also i've no idea how many
> people are exactly needed to do workshops.
> I also would appreciate some more feedback on the result of  a little
> brainstorm we did on how to tackle the workshops
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/digitales2004
> I don't think the list of topics is complete and there are still links
> to be added.
> I would also appreciate some input from the people doing workshops for
> other initiatives besides indymedia, what they think about the concept
> of  interactive workshops starting from the needs and questions of the
> target group.
> Greetings,
> Libby
> clara wrote:
> > Dear Anna,
> >
> > thanks a lot for this long mail.
> >
> > For me this whole event still remains rather unclear and that's why
> > am kind of slow in reacting on it.
> >
> > I am still not clear for example who the actual traget group is.
> > it be mainly (french speaking) Belgium women who take part in the
> > actual programme? And we use it for a brainstorming session outside
> > the official programme? Are we now supposed to take over the
> > organisation of the Indymedia workshop?
> >
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > I liked the points that Anna raised as issues, and I would be glad
> > spend some hours talking about them.
> >
> > Besides being interested in the specific situation of individual
> > in their specific groups, I would like t find out whether there are
> > patterns or situations that tend to come up. What is are the
> > difference between mixed groups that have little or no gender
> > and other that display everything feminists have been fighting
> > for ages?
> >
> > I would like to find out how to get more and younger women involved
> > when I am at the same time feel like running against brickwalls. Can
> > actually drag other women in that? Can I change things if I don't?
> >
> > And as it keeps coming up again and again: how about women.indy as a
> > topic IMCs.
> >
> > So this are the top three issues on my list,
> >
> > love and solidarity,
> > Clara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Some questions that I would like to explore:
> >>
> >>    * How about an update of the questionnaire Blue Pi send around
> >> she did that famous survey on gender  problems within indymedia? I
> >> add the questions below, and you can find the result from the
survey in
> >> november '01 here: http://germany.indymedia.org/2002/01/13720.shtml
> >> In Amsterdam I got some very angry replys during the indymedia
> >> when I referred to her findings that in indymedia there are  less
> >> than in other activist groups as well as other tech environments.
> >> are your experiences? What has changed, and why? Has it really?
> >>
> >>    * I am noticing in several IMC's around me (mainly central
> >> that the collectives are really quite young but there are some
> >> (mid-30s and above; yes, that is elder in indymedia ;) )women, and
> >> noticing that more and more of us are leaving our collectives. I'm
> >> wondering about the similarities in this and I'd like to share the
> >> experiences. See my own statement about why I left IMC Germany:
> >> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/private/imc-women/2003-
> May/000712.html.
> >> For those of you who'd like to read it and who are not subscribed
> >> imc-women please send me an email and I'll forward it to you.
> >>
> >>    * IMC  Germany has recently decided to ask someone to leave the
> >> collective and to unsubscribe from the lists. This person has been
> >> conflict also with the imc-women's list one and a half years ago.
> >> is not about blatant sexism, but rather about general ways of
> >> interaction. IMC Germany has spend a lot of time discussing and
> actually
> >> fighting and has produced a remarkable statement about minorities,
> >> dominance and why they think they would like to not only be
> >> " a monoculture of male techno-freaks in their 20s who are
> >> and thick-skinned rather than empathetic and thoughtful", "where
> >> the hardest and loudest prevail". Read the whole text in a rough
> not
> >> yet finished translation into English on the bottom of this page:
> >>
> >> This document was written mainly because Linn, who unfortunately
> >> come to Brussels (?), just didn't give up and fought for Indymedia
> be
> >> a place for her, too.
> >> It offers a lot to talk about since the situation of women and the
> >> general attitude in our media activist group seem to not be related
> >> indeed they are. And this is not because women always need to have
> >> cozy and loving atmosphere. I think we prefer a working environment
> that
> >> can be tough but that can also open up. I think the point is
> >> exclusiveness vs. inclusiveness.
> >>
> >>    * I think we need some ideas for some practical ideas. What will
> >> do? Is it the Women-in-independent-media-summer camp?
> >> Women.indymedia.org? A documentary about women in different
sections of
> >> activism? (PGA women have published a wonderful booklet like that).
> ...?
> >
> >
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