Once again, I respond with 'Who are we to decide what is sewage, and what is filet mignon?' If the users need the data, is the IT team really qualified to decide it is not needed? I know, a lot of it may in fact be useless drivel (Elfwars, anyone?) but once again, if the users define it as useful, it seems awfully presumptuous of a network admin to say it isn't. What I'm really advocating here is to align and fuse with the business needs, rather than impact productivity (and that can and often is the perception). Become an asset, not a cost center. From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sinton, Gary Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:43 PM To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Deleting attachments ... possibly because much of what you're so carefully backing up is in bulk little more than computer sewage. If your users never delete anything, your enterprise is obliged to fund the storage of that waste. And, rather than flushing it into the ether, your users have increased the size of the message store to the extent that your disaster recovery window must increase to accomodate the bulk. So now, your enterprise is obliged to fund the acquisition of hardware that can provide the bandwidth to restore mail in a reasonable time, which includes everything from data critical to our business to data which has so little value that it doesn't even merit the time required to mark and delete it. ________________________________ From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Boza Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:14 PM To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Deleting attachments At the risk of repeating myself (see //www.freelists.org/archives/exchangelist/09-2006/msg00037.html ), why as email admins are people always locked into the idea of keeping mailbox size below user requirements? I know many think this is sacrilege, but technologists always seem to want to determine the 'best' way for the system to work, and then apply the rules and requirements to the user community. I maintain that we'd look an awfully lot smarter, and be a whole lot more popular, if instead we looked at the way the business users use and/or want to use the technology - in this case (from their perspective) "Outlook" and then design the system to meet their usage patterns. Users like to keep email. Users like to keep email with attachments. It's data that can be backed up, protected, archived and indexed, searched, and even restored in the event of emergency. Searchable in the event of a legal discovery requirement. With OWA it is accessible from just about anywhere. Ditto with mobile devices. So why not design the storage and/or centralized archiving (in deference to Jason, as he correctly pointed out) to meet the way the users want and need to use the service? Just asking - maybe I'm feeling a bit testy this afternoon. Rick From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Engle Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:40 PM To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Deleting attachments I don't know of a program that will do what you want, but there is a program that will compress your attachments. Check out Max Compression from C2C. http://www.c2c.com/site/products/max_overview.asp Jeff. On 9/13/06, Taylor, George <GTaylor@xxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.msexchange.org -------------------------------------------------------Kind of on the same line of the PST thread. We, as I'm sure many of you out there do, struggle with the administrators, dept managers, doctors and such getting them to adhere to our mailbox policies. We actually do have a corporate wide policy limiting the size of your mailbox and it does state that if you hit that limit we no longer allow you to send email. Turned that on a couple years ago and it took my director about 20 minutes to run in my office and say "TURN IT OFF NOW!!!" So, with that said, we're looking at something a little more "pleasing" to them folks. We're thinking about deleting any attachments that are over a certain age, but leaving the email itself. I've basically been told I'd be turned into a eunuch if I deleted any doctor's email, but I may be able to get deleting just the attachments to fly. Any ideas on a 3rd party tool that could do this? Let's say something like strip the attachment from any email that is older than 180 days... Thanks, George Taylor Systems Programmer Regional Health Inc. ***Note: The information contained in this message, including any attachments, may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. 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