From: Scott Stradley EDI 581 SUNY Brockport In our most recent assignment we read an interview of Clifford Stoll on his book High Tech Heretic....Unfortunately, this is merely an interview and we do not get to see exactly what other information might be published in his 240 book. In responding to his interview, here is what I have to say: Clifford comments, "How long does it take to learn a word processing program? A day." Sure Cliff. A student can learn how to click an icon and type in Word, maybe learn how to change the font and style in one day. But just like anything else, without practice, what is learned is forgotten. Since Cliff uses a computer everyday he has obviously forgotten that fact. He then states, "Surfing the internet...It might take you an afternoon to learn how to do it." I agree. The browsing software is simplistic. Like any other tool, there is a difference between learning how to use it and how to use it correctly. Students in my school are taught to be critical readers of web sites. They are given lessons in knowing what to look for to ensure that a site is credible, current, factual, etc. They are also taught how to effectively search the internet so they don't wander and waste time. These are skills that require practice over time to refine and retain, not one afternoon. I really do not understand what Clifford is saying when he comments that "Computing offers instant gratification", in terms of controlling behavior. My kids will still mess around, talk, stand, walk around, and throw things if I don't manage the class. Sorry, but I don't have any experience that agrees with his statement implying that teachers use technology (computers) like a TV, like a babysitter. As far as fun and games go, there is no reason why some lessons can't be fun. True, some assessments and work are just that, work. It's hard to take a weekly math quiz and make it fun. However, some lessons can be, such as introducing a new topic or conducting a review game to help students learn. Cliff's interview does not say if he has any k-12 classroom experience. Perhaps a college astronomy professor is not the best judge of k-12 learning. (Or fun for that matter). The Cliffster asserts that up to 12 years old, kids don't need computer experience. Perhaps. Most of us (ahem - near 30 y/o and up) got along just fine without computers in k-12. We be smart, and stuff! Cliff also states that graduating seniors need to know "word-processing...spreadsheet...send and receive e-mail." Fine, I Agree. However, there is something to be said about using a new tool to create something. Let's look at a topical presentation on child abuse. A student could write a plain paper on this topic. They could read it to the class. If they are artistic they may make a poster to present. With permission from a teacher they could create overheads for their peers. But, most every child can make a slide show for this topic. The students can quickly and easily type the paper (content), and add poignant images and sounds. The student can present this loudly and clearly on a computer, ensuring that those with visual/auditory challenges can understand, as well as those who are at a different thinking or developmental level. It is another tool for the student and the teacher's toolbox. Is it a necessary tool? That depends on the student. Many students work doggedly as a result of having a computer. If that's the case, then it is most certainly necessary. Cliff laments that sometimes a class is replaced and a room is displaced for a computer lab. Also, time is an issue when incorporating computers into curriculum. A teacher must be knowledgable and savvy enough to fit computers into a lesson or curriculum without cutting out too much time from anything else. Therein lies the beauty of the computer. When used correctly it can be an efficiency tool, such as with writing assignments. To an extent I agree with Cliffy's commentary on the virtual community being bogus. I liken this to my occasional distaste for e-mail. You can't pick up the nuances in a person's voice through electronic words. You can't discern the warmth, sarcasm, questioning, tone or inflection. There are many times when face-to-face or phone discussions are better. For those who are unable to get out into the community due to environmental or physical limitations, the virtual community offers some sense of belonging, and that is a healthy thing. Scott Stradley Health/Computer Skills Roth MS sstradley@xxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------ Class website: http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/suny/ ------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this listserv, go to: //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=edi581 If you have any problems, send an e-mail to: JerryTaylr@xxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------