[duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails
- From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:06:00 -0500
Hi Steve,
Your point is well taken about back translators. As for what might be done,
There are more reasons than you and I might be able to think of why it might
be something usefull to someone. I still think it would help transcribers
but It's good to know that dbt will do this for us.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails
Dave,
Based on the fact that there are so few good reverse translators (Duxbury
being one of them, I'd say it's a lot more difficult than you might
think. Even if it's not, I wonder why anyone would want to write Emails in
a specialized form like braille just so they could be translated back into
text, which is how they started in the first place.
Steve
On Thursday 3/18/04 14:25 David Poehlman wrote:
>Steve, I read in grade 2 on my braille display all the time. This is
>information that is in print on the screen that speaks fine yet jaws can
>translate this into grade 2 braille. If it can translate, how hard would
it
>be do to the reverse?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:31 PM
>Subject: [duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails
>
>
>Peter,
>
>True, Blazie devices had a reverse translator, but it wasn't very
>good. Second, the screen reading capabilities of the Blazie devices were
>nowhere nearly as sophisticated as today's screen readers. For example,
>see what happens if you turn your BNS loose on a Web page (assuming you can
>even figure out how to make it read one).
>
>Although K1000 has some screen reading functions, it is not a screen
>reader. It's reverse translator is fairly primitive, and is there only as
>a quick and dirty method of back-translating braille.
>
>I don't work for Freedom Scientific (or any other screen reader company,
>for that matter), but as someone who worked as a programmer for nearly 30
>years, I can tell you that building a reverse translator into a screen
>reader is an extremely low priority because it would take more resources
>than any screen reader company has, or is likely to have given the very
>limited market. Ask yourself if you'd be willing to pay double or triple
>the price of your favorite screen reader, and you'll have a better idea why
>it hasn't happened yet, and probably never will.
>
>Steve
>
>On Thursday 3/18/04 00:21 Peter Donahue wrote:
> >Hello Steve and listers,
> >
> > The Blazie folks cracked that nut years ago with their line of
superb
> >Braille-aware devices. Why this technology has yet to be included in
>screen
> >readers is beyond me. However this feature is available in the K1000 so
> >there's hope for this matter.
> >
> >Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:32 PM
> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails
> >
> >
> >Alan,
> >
> >I can't comment on the appearance of braille dots in an Email message,
but
> >I can tell you that the only way to read braille as it is rendered by
> >translation software is to use a braille display. For a screen reader to
> >render braille into intelligible speech, you would have to send the
> >material through a reverse translator to turn it back into text.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >On Wednesday 3/17/04 20:59 Blackburn, Alan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >G'day all,
> > >I have a technical question which I intend to post across several
lists,
> > >so my apologies in advance to those of you who have to put up with
> > >multi-copies.
> > >
> > >Is there an easy way to "embed" Braille into an e-mail so it shows as
>dots
> > >on the received e-mail (other than sending it as an attachment)? If
there
> > >is it would enable us to avoid the "dot 3, dot 4-5-6-" "en-in-ing-"
> > >gibberish we resort to to communicate Braille questions. I did a little
> > >test using ascii code, and also copy/paste from a .dxb (Duxbury) file
> > >(also ascii) which seemed to work as long as the receiving computer had
a
> > >Braille font installed. I don't know how well it would work with screen
> > >readers/Jaws etc.
> > >
> > >Any ideas?
> > >Alan.
> > >
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